After the network showed a clip of a young conservative activist saying that climate change was the number one issue for young voters, Fox News moderator Martha MacCallum asked for a show of hands in response to her question, “Do you believe human behavior is causing climate change?”
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis refused to participate, and then GOP presidential hopeful Vivek Ramaswamy declared, “I’m the only person on the stage who isn’t bought and paid for, so I can say this: The climate change agenda is a hoax.” A crowd full of Republicans started to boo.
Most of the Republicans on stage fell short of completely denying that climate change is caused by human activity. Ramaswamy, perhaps taking a page out of the Trump playbook of making the most outlandish comment possible, came right out and said it.
Former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie shot back, “I’ve had enough already tonight of a guy who sounds like ChatGPT.” Former South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley went so far as to venture, “Climate change is real.”
But moderator Bret Baier seized not on Ramaswamy’s blatant denial of the scientific consensus on climate change, but on his claim that he was the only candidate on the stage who was “not bought and paid for.” Baier took turns asking candidates, “Are you bought and paid for?” In classic Fox News fashion, a moment that could have provided insight into how far Republicans are willing to go to please young voters concerned about the environment devolved into senseless crosstalk. Still, for a party that has spent years ignoring or denying the biggest threat to our planet’s future, tonight’s responses were actually, almost, a little bit refreshing.
Outright climate denial, avoidance of actually engaging the question, and zero mention of any policy Republicans might advance on climate.
Sounds about Right.
It’s even funnier when considering they could suggest climate denying policies and still don’t.
They have no platform. Literally. Not even a regressive one.
Them having a platform is irrelevant. Trump is going to be the nominee, almost certainly even if he’s actually found guilty and ends up in prison (which I doubt will ever happen). This is all just a marketing exercise for the other candidates.
Also if they’re getting booed for denying climate change(?), then they’re better off just being silent on the campaign trail while continuing to support the oil sector once in office. Hell, they could even pivot to what the dems do by campaigning on it and doing nothing if their base starts to make it an issue.
I’m talking about the republicans overall. In the general they better have a platform but it seems this is going to be a repeat of 2020.
I mean yeah. All they need to do is say “woke” a bunch of times and they’ll be within spitting distance of the presidency.
Woke is this decades “a noun a verb and 9/11”
Not until Biden starts saying it (not that I’d rule this out lol, the man’s a segregationist).
That wouldn’t be a problem if so many far left people weren’t so insufferably woke. You can pretend it’s something made up by the right - but I’ve voted Labour all my life and I’m sick to death of wokeness.
That wouldn’t be a problem if so many far left people weren’t so insufferably woke. You can pretend it’s something made up by the right - but I’ve voted Labour all my life and I’m sick to death of wokeness.
I wonder why so many trans people become communists when even the supporters of the left wing liberal parties openly oppose their existence 🤔
“oppose their existence”
Bullshit.
People who supper trans people 100% but yet think that self-id and trans people being in Ellen’s sports is problematic are being called “terfs” and “transphobes”
It’s just insanity.
People like you with absolutely no sense of perspective are doing more harm to trans people than anyone else.
Is this a bit?
[surreptitiously speaking into walkie-talkie]: “labour voter spotted. send in the wokes”
That wouldn’t be a problem if so many far left people weren’t so insufferably woke.
Get that divisive nazbol shit out of here, bootlicker.
Ahh yes, calling people nazis and boot lickers isn’t divisive.
You people are the new Christian Right from the 90s.
Could you define “wokeness”?
You know sometimes when you meet a Christian person, and you only find it out later? But they were really respectful, down to earth, helpful and generally seems like a good person and member of their community? The kind off person that volunteers to drop of a second hand sofa in their station wagon?
And you know how sometimes you get Christians that are constantly trying to use their religion to imply moral superiority? Forcing other people to do what they want? Having shameful public displays? Trying to erode the rights of women and gays? Screeching Karens who seem totally disconnected from anything even slightly spiritual?
Woke people for me are more like the social justice equivalent of the second care category.
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“My goal is to cut government in half in twenty-five years, to get it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub.” - Grover Norquist
That’s always been their platform. They just don’t say the quiet part out loud very often.
Republicans tell their base that they want to cut government, but always act otherwise. Controlling government purse strings is political power and economic power. There may be shell games played that transfers spending, but Republicans do not cut government, nor their power.
They cut government, so that corporations can wield more control. Eliminate public schools over private. Deregulate so that corporations can pollute or scam as much as they want. Or just slash government to “prove” that government is worthless, so that they can slash government even more.
They don’t need government. They just need government to disappear. They believe in corporatocracy.
They have endless amounts of bigotry, and that is all that matters to their voters. They know they don’t need a platform and Trump made them realise that they don’t even need to pretend to have a platform anymore.
The Republicans don’t offer any solution for anything. It’s nothing but denialism and pandering. How could anyone have heard these idiots speak and think they have anything to offer us as President?
The democrats are only marginally better in that they propose solutions. But they never follow through with them.
I dislike dems as much as any neoliberal party, but their complete inaction is largely caused by GOP obstruction.
Thats just a convenient excuse they use to not do anything and keep their lobbiests happy.
Outright climate denial, avoidance of actually engaging the question, and zero mention of any policy Republicans might advance on climate.
Democrats will admit that climate change is real but either do nothing to stop it or keep making things worse (with Biden signing more oil drilling permits than Trump because he is a puppet of the bourgeoisie, like every elected official in the country).
They seem to have a bone to pick with China and any renewables manufactured there.
-This message was unironically posted from a Chinese made iPhone.
Well yeah you’d prefer to manufacture it in the US. Biden did that with the IRA. But that won’t stop Republicans from shouting C-c-China.
TIL I have a nemesis on the Lemmyverse. Cross-eyed glance at someguy3.
You’ve got one on kbin too - @some_guy - a racist, bigoted fascist who likes to obsessively troll people and try to dox them.
It took me a moment to determine whether or not you were the same person, but unlike him, you can speak in complete sentences. As such, I thought I’d give you and @someguy3 a heads up that your good names are being dragged through the mud.
That sucks. Thanks for the heads-up. I’m getting the impression that kbin might be a haven for shitheads. Is this accurate? (Asking the room in general.)
Actually Kbin is great for tracking shitheads, which is why I’m able to call this guy out. Downvotes are visible on the activity tab of each post and comment, and this troll loves downvote spam - as you can see, he downvoted my comment above. He’s the kind that will stalk your account and downvote everything to try and get your attention.
In general, 99.9% of the community here is awesome, and there’s a lot of support between users here. It’s actually the best experience I’ve had online in many years (and I’ve been online since the early 90s). One of my goals in calling out the trolls when they decide to target me is to keep the community enjoyable, as I’m quite certain I’m not their only intended victim.
Just waiting for the 2nd amigo to show up so you guys can commence with the Mexican-Spider-Man-point-off.
Was there any legitimate policy discussed at all? Besides platitudes and dog whistles?
A crowd full of Republicans started to boo.
Former South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley went so far as to venture, “Climate change is real.”
Is this article from The Onion? Or am I like on candid camera or something? They believe in climate change now and are against it?
Climate change is real but it’s caused by abortions.
Don’t forget those pesky immigrants. Also anything woke!
Well, immigrants tend to be more tan from their exposure to the sun, and as we all know being more tanned is a result of having more melanins per square inch of skin. It’s also established fact that as you stuff more moles of a thing into a fixed space like America that, all other things beibg equal, the temperature goes up.
So really it’s immigration. Why does Biden hate our temperate climate??
Also, dead babies make Baby Jeebis cry dtears of hot rage, and that’s not helping with the hurricanes in the desert.
/s, because some of you don’t recognize satire
Satire or unhinged rant? I’m ok with both.
Unborn dead babies. Immigrant babies dying at sea is fine by Jesus, apparently.
This comment is the reason lemmy needs an awards system.
It does. It’s called the upvote button.
We all have one.
People with extra money for shouldn’t get to boost visibility.
All depends on how you implement said system.
I dont actually feel the need for such a system though. It was just a way of complimenting a great comment.
I feel silly now, I thought climate change was because all the books in libraries about gay and trans frogs.
The narrative changed about 10 years ago to “well it’s happening, but humans can’t do anything about it, it’s a natural process”. No real difference, but it puts a bit more smoke and mirrors up for the rubes who believe that sort of thing since it sounds a bit less wrong.
Interesting that you can tell where someone’s political development kinda “paused” based on this. A dork who thinks climate change isn’t happening is a full 10 years behind their fellow dorks.
Here’s their evolution on climate change:
- it doesn’t exist
- it does exist, but it’s not caused by man
- it’s caused by man, but it isn’t a bad thing
- it is a bad thing, but it’s china’s fault
How many more steps until some responsibility is accepted?
That’s the fun part, libs never accept responsibility.
Oh, “the libs”, yeah, I forgot.
For context they’re using liberal to mean anyone who’s pro capitalism but not a fascist. Which is pretty dumb imo since like a third of the republican base are committed fascists (regardless of whether they’re open about it or not).
“responsibility”
they’re just going to keep shooting people until the weather goes away
It happened here, but it’s the left’s fault for not being cool enough for me to listen to them.
I think it’s gonna lead to more calling for nationalist sentiment. My chud brothers say shit like, “We need to secure resources for the people that contribute”. They think people walking across borders are polluting more than people flying in planes because, “Elon is trying to fix climate change”
Also once the effects get really bad they can accuse Democrats of trying to make us miserable during the final enjoyable days on Earth. We’ll let you have fun in these final moments while the Democrats will try to enslave you to sift through garbage heaps.
It’s the classic Yes, Prime Minister Four-Stage Strategy.
In stage one we say nothing is going to happen.
Stage two, we say something may be about to happen, but we should do nothing about it.
In stage three, we say that maybe we should do something about it, but there’s nothing we can do.
Stage four, we say maybe there was something we could have done, but it’s too late now.
(also we were never responsible, buy Enron stock today)
It’s been a mainstream talking point in conservative circles for a bit that climate change is real, but:
a) Us doing something won’t change anything until China and/or India also start doing something with us
b) If we started doing something, the cost would weaken us economically until China can overtake us and start influencing the world to the west’s detrimentBoth of which are wrong, but it doesn’t stop conservatives from believing the talking heads. A lot of people can’t outright deny global warming anymore so they’re just shifting the blame now
Edit: Actually, I was just looking into it, I think this claim is unsupported. Looks like climate change will cause a 5-25% less than what it would have been, but that’s as compared to the projected growth of yields due to improved technology and resources. So the picture is a little more muddy but still impactful.
Climate change isn’t really something you can deny anymore if you work in ag, and a lot of small-town conservatives have a close relationship to farming (not trying to stereotype, just speaking to my experience in Iowa). Yields have been declining basically every year for the last 10 or so, with wind, drought, and flooding being the top reasons. Temps in the central US reached the highest since the great depression and the dust bowl. For those people, denying the existence of climate change is basically saying you’ll do nothing to help farmers suffering from decreasing yields. It’s not a harmless “anti-woke” opinion anymore, it’s actively harmful to the material conditions of a lot of republicans.
That’s not to say it isn’t really interesting watching them dance around it. They’ll probably try to say, “yea, it’s real, but there’s no point in cutting back fossil fuels at this point. Here’s more farming subsidies to help with your decreasing yields”, and i’m betting that it will still be very effective for their base.-
Many Republicans actually believe a lot of stuff that’s true. They just tend to have One Big Issue that only the Republican candidate will support, usually something bigotry related, but for a few it’s HCGW related.
I want to point out that they denied climate change while in Milwaukee, which set a record high temperature of 101°F the day of the debate, with a heat index of 115°F.
The average high temperature over the past 30 years is 80°F
No wonder the audience started to boo.
Wait, they closed the school because of heat? As a native Texan I don’t understand. Do the schools not have central air?
If the schools were built for 80-degree highs, two months out of the school year… probably not.
I grew up in the northeast and none of the schools had central air. It’s not hot enough before summer break to justify it. At least historically…
Do they at least open the windows? Never cycling the air sounds gross.
Yeah, the windows would open. But, honestly some days were gross. But US school would end by mid June and start in September so there’s only a few hot days to worry about, you might hit over 80F /27c a few times at most.
Nope, most schools in the midwest, particularly rural schools with small tax bases, don’t have air. It was 85 F in my town’s high school today.
I can’t see anywhere which would explain why the school closed. It’s possible that it doesn’t have central air. It could also be an efficiency thing; maybe the AC can’t vent out the heat fast enough to cool down the building when it’s that warm? My house is actually like that when it hits around 105° outside.
The smart ass reply is they close down when it’s hot for the same reason Texas closes down when it’s only 30° and it barely snows 😅
That should be alarming.
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As a non American, viewing this from the outside. Let me say this.
These guys are ridiculous please don’t vote for them. Not only do they not believe in climate change, which is insane given how much of the planet is currently ablaze, but they don’t even understand what chat GPT is. So they are corrupt and stupid.
What am I saying, they are presidential material.
Vivek saying “I’m the only one here not bought and paid for” just sounds like projection to me, along with a bit of “no true Scotsman” fallacy thrown in for flavoring.
Also dude literally started an “anti-woke” company just to Join in on the anti-woke grift.
‘I’m the only one here not bought and paid for, because I just started shopping myself around.’
Maybe he just rents himself.
Everybody knows that you can’t be a Republican politican and not be bought and paid for.
“I am not bought or paid for”… proceeds to give answer that conveniently aligns with big oil interests.
The only people that say climate change is a hoax are either in need of serious psychiatric intervention or being paid to say it’s not real.
That’s what makes the “I’m not bought and paid for so I can say it’s a hoax freely” line so weird.
I’ve never understood how people not being paid to intentionally misunderstand the topic can go on about the hoax line.
It’s less that he’s bought and more that he’s hoping to be bought. He’s seeking donations from other people with a vested interest in denying human made climate change. He’s not bought, he’s for sale.
Should have made that dumbfuck sit outside for the duration of the debate. It was 100 degrees Fahrenheit in Milwaukee on the day of the debate.
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Lahaina is fucking gone
And the far northern Canadian city of Yellowknife was just evacuated due to a wildfire.
The Arctic is literally on fire.
I think we have to rapidly come to terms with the fact that, politically, we are never going to adequately address climate change before it is too late. Conservatives will dig in their heels and slow the process to a near-standstill, and liberal democratic institutions will allow it to happen.
Climate change will be addressed by either a deus-ex-machina-like technological breakthrough, or by means outside of electoral politics.
Climate change will be addressed by either a deus-ex-machina-like technological breakthrough, or by means outside of electoral politics.
And we can rule out the technological breakthrough. It’s unlikely, although not impossible, to happen, BUT it’s absolutely impossible to be implented on a large enough scale to make change.
The same people who don’t want wind turbines or solar farms within eye sight of their backyard are suddenly to accept something completely new and not well understood or tested… on an unprecedented scale? Sign me up for a laugh.
edit: All those bastards advocating some world saving technology, just so they don’t need to change something now, ignore the fact that it’ll also be them who will prevent that technology - if it comes. NIMBYs stay NIMBYs.
Remember what happened when we got that miraculously effective covid vaccine? The unwillingness of people to take that simple, free action to help return to the normal they wanted back so badly really killed my hope for an end to climate change.
Forget technology. Even scientists’ and engineers’ wettest dreams don’t consider technologies that capture even a tenth of the billions of tons of CO2 we release on a yearly basis.
If you look closely at the numbers it’s hard to understand that we engineer ourselves out of this mess.
Solar, wind etc. is all nice. Nuclear fisson, cold and hot fusion, okay. We’re far away of anything useful. Capital is just in the wrong hands.
Trust me, I realise… I mention a technological breakthrough not because I think it’s likely or a good idea to expect, it’s not and it isn’t. It’s a terribly stupid “solution” to bet on.
But no actual, plausible solution will actually be allowed. At least not until tremendous damage has already been done.
Really hoping for some deus ex machina shit rn and I think that says a lot
Sadly in my opinion it is already too late. In my opinion we are already in the downward spiral. It’s like a roller coaster ride, once you are over that hump just hang on for the ride.
At this point we and our great great great great great great…. Grand children will pay the price.
We had the chance to fix it. It’s already way too late. Sorry just my opinion. Less pollution might make the fall out slightly less bad. So there is a point in stopping pollution, but as for reversing and stopping what’s going to happen? Yeah no sorry we are screwed.
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I’m curious what are three items that would make a real difference?
If the tech breakthrough hurts oil companies profits, they will lobby and propagandize against it.
Oil companies buy votes.
Climate activists can’t.
Climate activists could, if you knew how little per voter it takes to buy off a politician.
hell, some sell out their constituency for as little as 3 cents a head.
Bought and paid for by the all-powerful Climate Science Industry?
In my own stupid opinion, the GOP is infested by fascist thought to its very core. And yet, they got boo’d for denying climate change. Some change is good, and some change is bad, and I think the conservatives recognizing climate change is a damn good thing.
But it should have happened 20 years ago. We are seriously fucked now. Thanks Mitch.
You don’t have to lead facts with “in my opinion.”
The thing is, fascism is a populist ideology. It works best when you can point at someone and say “this thing that concerns you is insert boogeyman’s fault!”
I’m ultimately not as concerned by these hacks as the guy who comes along and actually appeals to someone besides the boomers.
All of these dorks are just auditioning for jobs in the Trump administration. They refuse to say anything bad about Trump even though they’re running in a race against him.
Except none of them will get jobs because Trump thinks they’re all dorks.
Chris Christie did, because he still plays by the 2015 edition rulebook
Except none of them will get jobs because Trump thinks they’re all dorks.
Stephen Miller is an ultra dork, creepy as he also is.
They don’t believe in anything. They’re vapid narcissists grabbing at power. They will say and do anything for power and approval, that’s what makes them so dangerous. It wasn’t a debate up there, they weren’t debating anything, it was a popularity contest and each and every one of them danced for the crowd in their own way
These folk are the biggest cringelords who ever walked the Earth. An international embarrassment that any of these people are taken seriously enough to ever get within arms reach of holding public office.
I love it when people with hundreds of millions act like they can’t be bought. Like no shit, you don’t have to be bought, you’re already on the sides of the buyers
They can’t be bought, because they have already been bought
