https://x.com/MFA_Ukraine/status/1930577884889977099
The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine considers the decision of the Sejm of the Republic of Poland to establish 11 July as a Day of Remembrance for the victims of the so-called “genocide committed by the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) and the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) in the eastern territories of the Second Polish Republic” to fly in the face of the spirit of good neighbourly relations between Ukraine and Poland.
In WW2, it is historically known that the OUN and UPA collaborated with Nazi Germany and engaged in genocidal campaigns of massacre against the Polish and their own people. While I’m not particularly fond of contemporary Poland, I fully support them in ensuring the truth of the crimes perpetrated against them by nazi Germany and their rabid Ukrainian fascist dogs isn’t buried in the name of appeasing the modern Ukrainian fascist state.
Such unilateral steps do not contribute to achieving mutual understanding and reconciliation, which our countries have been working on for a long time, particularly in the format of the Joint Ukrainian-Polish Working Group on Historical Issues, which operates with the participation of the ministries of culture and national memory institutions from both countries.
Which constantly is having problems from what I hear through the grapevine, which isn’t surprising concidering the representatives of the current Ukrainian government have been constantly engaging in fascist palingenetic ultranationalist historical revisionism in a vain attempt to turn their fascist national myth forgery into reality.
Ukraine consistently advocates for a scientific and unbiased study of the complex pages of our shared history. We are convinced that the path to true reconciliation lies through dialogue, mutual respect and joint work by historians, rather than through unilateral political assessments.
Never have I ever seen modern country actively use actual nazi race science (shut up I know you’re about to snicker to yourself and say ‘what about America’. I know!) To create a whole separate and distictive race of pure blue eyed blonde haired Ukrainians that’s being contaminated by “filthy asiatics” of Russia. They literally use fucking skull calipers to differentiate between pure Ukrainian stock and barbaric spawn born from “miscegenation”. The fucking Poles should call them out more openly.
We urge the Polish side to refrain from steps that could lead to increased tension in bilateral relations and undermine the achievements gained through constructive dialogue and cooperation between Ukraine and Poland.
Such as recognizing genocidal massacres done by the current Ukrainian regime’s nazi heroes
Despite the bias and political context of the Sejm of the Republic of Poland’s decision, we continue to conduct search and exhumation work in Ukraine and Poland, respectively. We have already achieved practical results in this area, which should be developed further in the future
Anti-fascism is completely unbiased and unpolitical. As far as I’m concerned it’s simply a scientific process of sociological pathology.
Once again, we remind you that Poles should not look for enemies among Ukrainians, and Ukrainians should not look for enemies among Poles. We have a common enemy – Russia.
5 bucks for when Ukraine loses, there’s gonna be acts of revanchist terrorism against the Polish People.
For the sake of the common strength, freedom and security of our two friendly countries, we must resolve problematic issues together, rather than exacerbating them.
Easy solution. Denounce your nazi ideology, purge the fascists from the government, then round up all the fascists and offer them to either die running into Russian machine gun fire or die running away from Ukrainian machine gun fire.
In Ukraine, we are closely following the statements of the already elected president of Poland - Karol Nawroczky, and sir - but they are anti-Ukrainian, populist, and in Ukraine Karol is not seen as a serious historian, but as a person who will prevent Ukraine from winning the war, spreading hatred of Ukrainians.
Let me remind you that back in 1918, Ukraine declared independence and asked Poland for help in the fight against the Soviets. And if we were an independent country then, there would have been no occupation of Poland by Hitler in 1939, no mass murders, gas chambers and experiments on humans. Millions of Poles would not have died at the hands of the German Nazis. But in 1939 we could not help the Poles, Ukraine lay bloodless, hungry and chained in Soviet concentration camps.
Lol the ukronazi in the comments blames the poles for the massacres
"Ukrainians are no greater murderers than Poles. In this story, the Ukrainian children of Sagryn are not victims of genocide for some reason. Almost 30 thousand Ukrainians were killed by Poles in this bloody story. But Sagryn is not genocide. But Ukrainians are genocidal.
A Home Army unit during the destruction of the Ukrainian village of Sagryn, March 10, 1944. President Duda demands greater reparations from Ukrainians than from Russians. In the Polish pre-election discourse, you will not hear about the sins of Russians or Nazis: only about Ukrainians. Do we hear any statements today from Polish politicians that Russia should pay for its sins to Poles? No.
In Warsaw, over the course of several days in November 1794, Russian troops murdered, according to various estimates, from 20 to 30 thousand Poles. Have you ever heard in this pre-election campaign that this The massacre should be considered genocide and that the Russians should atone for this genocide? During the “Polish operation” of the NKVD, 111,000 Poles were shot. Do we hear any statements from Polish politicians today that Russia should pay the Poles for this genocide? No.
Within a few months in the spring of 1940, 22,000 Polish officers-POWs were shot without trial. Do we hear any statements from Polish politicians today that Russia should pay for these murders of Poles? No.
Within a few days at the beginning of August 1944, in the “Wola” district of Warsaw, the Nazis killed more Poles than died in the whole of Volhynia during the entire Nazi occupation. Have Polish politicians already voted to recognize the murders of Poles committed by the Nazis in Warsaw as genocide and remind us of this event every year by means of parliamentary resolutions? No.
In a post about ensuring victims of fascism are remembered, your knee-jerk reaction is to immediately go “what about all the dead Ukrainian villagers killed in retaliation for the massacres perpetrated by nazi collaborating Ukrainian fascists” instead of saying “yeah, the OUN and UPA were genocidal fascist monsters that wrongfully and unjustly murdered Polish civilians, the MFA of Ukraine is in the wrong here”
It is unfair when Ukraine and Ukrainians are accused in crimes made by Moscow regime. OUN and UPA in case you do not know were fighting against soviet nazi from one side and against german nazi from other side. But ‘winner writes history’ and the winner was USSR. Polish people you should understand one thing, Ukraine will fight for you if your country will be attacked by russia. It is the most important that you should know.
Ukraine will fight for you if your country will be attacked by russia.
Who wants the guys who have been getting their asses kicked across their own former territory for three years to fight for them?
Hello yes I’d like your biggest losers and nazis to come help meUkraine will fight for you if your country will be attacked by russia
Yeah they even fought for the poor freedom loving Nazis who were attacked by Russia in Stalingrad.
we must remember that those were relatively few in number, the vast majority of ukrainians fought in the red army against the nazis. but for some odd reason, cant quite figure out why, modern ukraine doesnt like to remember those millions of heroes.
relative few in number across all of Ukraine, but when you look at just Galicia and Western Ukraine it’s a different story. Those societies were thoroughly fascist
Soviet… nazis? alright then.
All I’m getting from this is you’re saying the massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia by Ukrainian fascists is propaganda made up by Russia.
Lord mercy,at least people on my side of the river pay some lip service to the idea of denouncing our Nazis
This is Israel tier denial of historical crimes
Lol they literally are denying their participation in the holocaust, and libs will says they arent nazis
In a lot of places in Europe, saying this shit would classify as Holocaust denial and would land you in prison. Amazing the steps they take to bend over backwards defending this.
The ukranian gov are just going to defend all the nazi colaborators at this point
victims of the so-called “genocide" comitte by the OUN
They say this and its about the mass killings of 100k poles, there was a ukranian lib saying the oun was innocent and they were tricked by the SS into killing civilians
“They were possessed by their Russian Ancestors who made them do it”
This is hateful antiukrainian speech aimed to destroy relations between Ukraine and Poland, to get the support of the Poles in the future actions of the government in order to prevent the victory of Ukraine, as well as to prevent the restoration of the Commonwealth. This is a primitive post, you will not succeed, you will pay for all your crimes, you will pay with own territories. MOSCOW MUST BE DESTROYED!
oh fuck off lmfao
“primitive post” get the fuck out of here
Condemning the fascist OUN and UPA who collaborated with the Nazis and committed genocide is a good thing, unquestionably. Ukraine condemning Poland for recognizing the massacre commited against them by the OUN and UPA speaks volumes about the character of the Kiev regime, and the Banderites they uphold the legitimacy of. Poland is unquestionably in the right here, and Ukraine unquestionably in the wrong.
The fact that you call others posting ‘primitive’ is all I really need to confirm that you have a fascist mentality towards others. Your society is not special.
in order to prevent the victory of Ukraine
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stepping on my bit
it’s the funniest way to make a lib extremely mad, what can i say
I’m pretty sure my name drove like 20% of this site into frothing chauvinist tantrums in 2022
I think a great deal of “Anti-war ism” (as the chinese political compass meme says) was where that came from. I know it was my initial reaction/stance
Ukraine is restoring the Commonwealth? That would require ceding territory to Poland.
Oh look a literal
fan posting.Ukrainian brains have apparently been absolutely cooked after marinating in the fascism sauce for too long.
I’m glad the Russians are once again tackling an expansionist nazi power on Europes behalf. Yet again, we won’t thank them for it.
Very normal, very not fascist
Sir, this is a Wendy’s.
Lmao while we’re at it give the Bugec back to Moldova and Bucovina back to us
A few years ago, I learned that the official typeface used by the Ukrainian Ministry of Foreign Affairs is called “Bandera”.
Ukronazis are really that annoying kid who knows one historical fact about Rome and makes it their entire personality
Maybe some of what the OUN and UPA did could even be considered to “fly in the face of good neighbourly relations between Ukraine and Poland”.
Wondering where the libs who said Ukraine wasn’t full of Nazi Holocaust enthusiasts are now
Not a lib but I’m right here. I can’t believe this level of shit is tolerated.
Not a lib
haha
Hey, you seem to be genuine and so I’d like to share some information with you.
Have you ever watched the film Shoah?
If you haven’t, I highly recommend it. This film interviews Holocaust suvivors and has many people give their personal account of their experience of the event, including Nazis. This is a very long documentary, painfully long, but necessarily long. It’s very powerful and has a lot of important documentation. You’ll notice this is an old film made by French people, this is not a recent Russian propaganda film. Talk to Jewish people about it and you’ll generally get good responses. This film discusses the role Ukraine and Ukrainians played in the Holocaust, not intentionally to smear Ukraine for some Russian purpose (keep in mind, when this was made USSR still existed with Ukrainian SR as part of USSR so they were friendly) but just as a factual aside of the story because it’s simply the historical truth.
The reason why posts like these are tolerated is because it’s an historical fact and truth that Ukrainians collaborated in the Holocaust with Nazi Germany, further there is a segment of the Ukrainian population which still celebrates that collaboration and they are currently in power there.
I’m not going to give you other links or information, mostly because I’m not as knowledgeable in this as others who could provide better resources but also because you may just not believe they are credible. Look up this documentary for yourself, it’s very famous and popular, pretty much the only people you’ll find criticizing its validity are Nazis who deny the Holocaust even happened. I’m saying this in as much good faith as possible so you can hopefully take this as a learning moment.
Next time I feel like total shit I probably will watch. Thanks for the recommendation. In turn I’d like to recommend the book Ordinary Men which mostly follows a group of German police who were brought in to help with mass murder. Not even gas, but like put bullets in people and bury them in mud and you can still see the mud moving because the people thrown in there were still alive.
It’s non-fiction. Most of the information is from interviews and Nuremberg testimony.
Maybe it was tolerated ten years ago, this is official government policy of Holocaust denial. Turns out the bandera celebrations weren’t just for show
It’s not tolerated, it is celebrated by the Ukrainian government
Someone post it on r/Europe
It does bring me comfort that fascists are generally too petty and fickle to maintain alliances
Ugly side of the bear in this thread.
The fascist perpetrators, being Bandera’s Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN-B) and its military wing, that is, the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA), who used the codename “anti-Polish operation” in their documents to refer to the planned and executed extermination of the Poles anywhere they went, are fully upheld by the current Ukraine government as national heroes to be emulated.
As seen by the public position of Ukraine’s foreign Ministry criticizing the Polish Republic’s memorializing the genocide committed against their ancestors by the heroes of the current Ukrainian government.
There’s nothing ugly here besides the mosters Ukraine worships.
I’m not trying to put any warcrimes aside, I just think the general response to this post has been reactionary.
You’re going to need to explain what you mean and provide examples to back up your claims.
I didn’t know what reactionary meant in this context. I feel that this shit is an op. Some Ukrainians did evil shit 80 years ago, let’s feed on the corpses of their children’s children.
Except that their children’s children believe and preach that it was a good thing.
if the nazis didn’t want us to constantly bring up their nazi grandpas maybe they should stop being nazis?
Did the part mentioning the Ukrainian government publicly worships fascist heroes and are publicly engaging in Holocaust denialism escape your eye?
No-one posting here is in favour of how Ukrainians are currently being dragged to the front lines against their will to be used as cannon fodder. This post is about how openly the current Ukrainian Gov has promoted the nazi collaborators of the past to be today’s heroes and is asking Poland to pretend their crimes against humanity never happened in order to put up a united front against Russia.
how so?
Reactionary shit with a ton of upvotes.
Hello lurkers I didn’t know what reactionary means
Do you know what ‘reactionary’ actually means?
I admit I didn’t understand the term as it’s used in this political discourse.
it means right-wing and bigoted
If you just mean it as “people having strong reactions,” I’d be more surprised if you didn’t react strongly to a state saying “get over the ethnic massacres we conducted with the Nazis less than a century ago”
Give examples. Stop vauge posting.
