Its just an instance where tankies can exist in an echo chamber without having to critically think.
If you want you can read some of my comments here and watch these morons make fallacious argument after falacious argument, put words in my mouth, and project some person who makes similarly bad takes which exists inside their head onto me: https://lemmy.today/comment/17304484
Edit: there’s also this thread: https://lemmy.today/post/32415724/17304693
-Complains about “echo chambers”
-Blocks comm because of diverging views
No I blocked it because it’s an echo chamber. Are you able to read? Did you see what I said in this post?
I mean you’re welcome to post a competing view and argue it competently from an intelligent well reasoned position grounded in fact… you haven’t done that though, and you’re complaining that people who have done that who are refuting your hot air are an “echo chamber”.
It’s like going onto a maths forum and saying 0.99999…≠1 with zero substance to your claims only vibes and then having multiple people show proofs in various different ways to show you that infact 0.999999…=1 and you blocking the maths forum and calling it an echo chamber.
Sounds like you want it to be an echo chamber.
When everyone agrees on a fact its cause its a fact
Someone asked you how China doesn’t have freedom of speech, which is what you claimed and are responsible for proving. You responded asking “have you been living under a rock?” This is appealing to “common knowledge” as if it is just widely known and no evidence is required. In a different comment you said all your comments were your own thoughts and not based on US propaganda. Unless you have lived in China and had your freedom of speech violated, you are obviously just repeating racist anti-China propaganda that has no evidence. If there was evidence you would provide it but since you can’t provide what doesn’t exist all you can rely on is the false notion that
This is just one direct example debunking your rhetoric and showing it is illogical, but there are more examples in the thread. Instead of trying to form a perspective based on facts or data you are just making racist claims about over a billion people and then refusing to consider that you actually don’t know what you’re talking about even though it is very obvious to anyone who has spent even a little time looking into this topic
Someone asked you how China doesn’t have freedom of speech,
That was me lol. Really wish they would have answered this. I was 99% sure it was going to be the debunked claim the winnie the pooh is banned in China
Come back baby we didn’t mean it
Im sorry for what i said when I was dunking
“My Own Worst Enemy” by Lit starts playing
Can we forget about the things I said in my dunk?
I didn’t mean to go post that
Can’t remember what you said or what emoji
I used on, I used on my post
“I wasn’t immediately validated when giving my opinion on concepts I have a narrow understanding of such as authoritarianism and technofeudalism, and have therefore decided to remove myself from the entire community to prove I’m right.”
Hexbear would like you to read a book.
I asked you to define technofeudalism and you just started making things up based on the words “techno” and “feudalism”. Surely it is us that are afraid of critical thinking and having an echo chamber, person that ran away and hid from the replies.
Technofeudalism is when people who like dancing have a tendency to have beef with other people dancing.
I am very smart
It’s when the dancing people have to give half of their dancing sweats to the DJ who allows them to use his dancefloor.
Didn’t know what feudalism was either.
Fraudalism
thank you for posting your massive, massive L’s for us all to point and laugh at 🙏
Too bad you can’t see all the hexbears roasting you in the comments
How so
I’m not sure exactly what you’re asking, but I assumed since you said you blocked the instance and you weren’t responding to their comments on this post that you couldn’t see them. However, coming back to this thread I see a response from you so I’m not sure what’s going on
Blocking an instance doesn’t block the users of that instance. Just the communities. So users posting from an account on a blocked instance to a community on a non blocked instance will still show up.
I have hexbear and ML blocked. I still see all you assholes in here, brigading this shit.
“Brigading” lol cry about it
Brigading AKA sorting by all/active lol…you’re not on Reddit anymore
It was ambiguous what comments you were referring to. (This post or the comments in the other one) I get it now.
I don’t really want to hear from them. Their roasts are just bad arguments and bullying.
Cope lol
Their arguments are all better than any you’ve ever produced, the bullying is warranted
Yup, pretty much. Tankies are a scourge and the world would have been better without them in it.
The world would have been better if the Nazis won WWII? If the Tsar had remained a brutal dictator with life expectancies and literacy rates both in the low 30s? Mask-off moment for you, holy shit.
Nice strawman dipshit.
Saying the world would have been better off without communists directly states that the ones who killed 90% of the Nazis in World War II and took Berlin should’ve never existed, the Tsar never overthrown, Cuba to remain a fascist slaver colony under Batista, China to remain under the feudal Kuomintang dictatorship, Vietnam to remain a colony of France, South Africa to remain an Apartheid regime, etc.
It isn’t a strawman, it’s the direct consequences of what you said.
I don’t consider Hexbear to be an “echo chamber.” A true echo chamber, isolating oneself from views that go against someone’s current viewpoints, is only possible if your viewpoint aligns with the dominant views of the society you live in. Communism in the english-speaking internet and world is fringe. Nobody on Hexbear can truly avoid engaging with liberalism as a daily requirement for their existence, everyone has to exist in the outside world and touch grass at some point, be it for work, errands, engaging with friends, family, etc.
What is possible to create an echo chamber around, is blocking off leftist viewpoints. Blocking Hexbear just reduces the chances of yourself running into views that challenge your existing viewpoints. The reason why Hexbear bans liberalism and anti-communist viewpoints is because you can find them anywhere on the English-speaking internet, it gets pushed heavily by mainstream media and permeates discussions even about social reforms like healthcare. Hexbear making a space safe to engage with other communists who just want to hang out doesn’t actually close off viewpoints.
Looking into your comments you linked, you threw around words like “authoritarianism” and “technofeudalism,” without really describing or understanding each. It comes across as you trying to figure out a way to describe a Socialist system that restricts the rights of capital owners in a negative way, without trying to understand why the overwhelming majority of Chinese citizens support their system and believe it to be generally on the right track. I recommend glancing through this Socialism with Chinese Characteristics Study Guide to see how and why the Chinese system works, and why one would support it.
All in all, I think blocking Hexbear if you don’t like echo chambers is actually counter-productive, as you cut yourself off of a large portion of the Leftist userbase on Lemmy, thus restricting what you see to a more narrow subset of generally “progressive liberalism.”
" A true echo chamber, isolating oneself from views that go against someone’s current viewpoints, is only possible if your viewpoint aligns with the dominant views of the society you live in.
Hexbear blocked carnivore@lemm.ee for going against their viewpoints.
It is a true echo chamber. But if your general point is it’s okay to be an echo chamber, because it’s impossible to live your life without being exposed to other ideas… Fine, but that doesn’t change the fact they are an echo chamber as a platform
They also ban fascists, liberals, etc. Hexbear is pro-animal liberation, they don’t want to see glorification of mass consumption of meat all the time. This is a silly point, you can’t actually go your life without seeing meat being eaten, but that doesn’t mean you have to see it everywhere you go. Same with porn, porn is censored, does that make it an echo chamber?
I think you ignored my points, why does Hexbear count as a “true echo chamber?” What does that even entail?
As you conceded it’s a echo chamber but it doesn’t isolate people from the realities of their daily lives.
I wouldn’t really call that an echo chamber, then. An echo-chamber is where you are only exposed to one side of viewpoints, that’s largely impossible for Hexbear users but is entirely possible for, say, Lemmy.world users. The alternative is to let liberals, fascists, etc roam freely, harassing users and creating an unsafe space for marginalized comrades that use Hexbear precisely to avoid such situations for a tiny portion of their lives.
in the west, it’s very hard to get honest/accurate analysis of the chinese system. i really recommend you stop parroting bullshit that you’ve heard and read some marxist/anarchist books on the chinese system post-2004.
(the reason 2004 is chosen is because there was a massive paradigm shift in the country at that time. any book that’s worth reading will cover it)
Alright. This is the response I was wanting. Educate me :)
What would you like to know? I csn recommend books. You will have to read them tho. I have been totally making fun of you cause you deserve it, but that doesn’t mean im not willing to help you out if you legit wanna learn, im a jerk, not a monster.
Read
Socialism With Chinese Characteristics by Roland Boer https://archive.org/details/socialism-with-chinese-characteristics
Its just an instance where tankies can exist in an echo chamber without having to critically think.
pretty sure this was a tagline previously, lmfao
Fair.
And I don’t like echo chamers. So I shall block.
“blocking because tankies told me to touch grass, read Mao and then they called me a liberal and sent me a picture of a pig with shit on its testicles”
sounds more like you want to exist in an echo chamber that reaffirms your previously held beliefs
but also who cares? do you announce every time you tie your shoes as well?
“I don’t like echo chambers, so I’m going to silence people who disagree with me!”
Its just an instance where tankies can exist in an echo chamber without having to critically think.
Buddy, you’re the one blocking them. You’re not in a position to accuse other people of being in an echo chamber.
watch these morons make fallacious argument after falacious argument
Unlike you, making such sound and well reasoned arguments as “lol no” and “Have you been living under a rock?”
Lol take the L with dignity
Pls tell me this is an elaborate bit
It’s not.
Omg
And as can be seen from the behaviour of all the .ml’ers in this thread, you really should block that instance as well. They are the same people, just using different accounts to spread their hateful fascist stupidity.
Communism isn’t fascism, and to conflate the two is a serious miscalculation. Communism/socialism are historically worker-centric systems and ideologies, while fascism is best described as capitalism, only when the bourgeoisie needs to employ violent and extreme measures to protect their ownership of private property. As a consequence, communist-led violence is violence against the minority of society, the oppressor capitalist class, while fascist-led violence is against the majority, the working class, as well as the marginalized in society.
I recommend reading Blackshirts and Reds.
I recommend you read up how communism actually worked, how oppressive of a regime it was and how many people died because of it. And yeah, communism is just as bad as fascism.
I have, actually, and I recommend you read up on how socialism actually works, including how it doubled the life expectancy of those in the USSR, tripled literacy rates to 99%, ended famine in countries where underdevelopment made famine common, brought free, universal healthcare, full free education, more vacation days and lower working hours, and more.
The PRC today is Socialist, and is responsible for the largest reduction in poverty in history, as well as some of the most rapid levels of economic development in history.
Communism is good, fascism is horrendous. Fascism was horrible for 99% of people, in countries like Germany there was industrialized mass murder, workers were kiloed en masse for organizing, and the rights of women and minorities were curbed. Socialism is good for the 99% and bad for the 1%. The Tsarists, capitalists, etc had their property confiscated and even were killed, while the 99% achieved great feats.
You definitely should Blackshirts and Reds. Further still, equating communism and fascism is a form of Naxi apologia, it originated with Double Genocide Theory which attempts to trivialize the holocaust and demonize socialism to make Nazism seem not as bad as it actually was.
8·1 month agoHaha, I setup some stuff to keep look at the logging (as discussed a few days ago), and it’s funny how I can correlate this post with a small uptick in bots accessing the B&R page.
Oh wow! I always wondered if my comments actually get people to check out the pages and books I link, I’ve tried to focus more on explaining things in my own words unless a book or article is extremely relevant and quotes necessary (people sometimes saw my older style of quoting Marx, Lenin, Engels, etc as book worship, which is fair critique IMO).
That’s actually really interesting!
Yea, we’ll see in the future. Right now it was just bots, so I assume the post got federated to these websites and then they went out to get title, description, and opengraph stuff to show.
Ah, gotcha, that makes sense. Federation is interesting.
Sure you did read up on all the attrocities. But all I need to do is read an online article that will be a total 180 from what my grandparents, parents lived through, their struggles. Grandpa’s family will totally come back from Siberia and they will be 18 forever.
Dude, fuck you. You know nothing about communism. It is a scourge and you are part of the problem.
I’ve read dozens of books, hundreds of articles, and continue to read. The overwhelming majority of those who lived in the USSR want it back, this is a well-known phenomenon. Over 7 million people died due to the dissolution of socialism in the USSR, prostitution, drug abuse, poverty, disparity, all skyrocketed while life expectancy plumeted thanks to the utter destruction of the economy and the elimination of social safety nets.
Well over 90% of Chinese citizens support their government, even from western survey. Socialism in China lifted 800 million people out of poverty, and is combatting climate change and regularly improving conditions for its people, without relying on imperialism like western countries do. This is charting a genuine alternative to the naked plundering of the west towards the global south.
I am not going to trust one person’s anecdotal experience vs the legitimate and long-term study I’ve done, the people who lived in the USSR, PRC, etc that I’ve spoken to and spoke positively of them, and the ongoing process of decay capitalist countries are in while socialist countries are steadily developing and improving. Go ahead, rely on the assumption that I must be stupid or ill-read to support a worker-centric economy rather than the absolute system of plunder that is crumbling. Keep doing Nazi apologia by equating a system of industrialized mass murder with a system that doubled life expectancy, democratized the economy, provided free and high quality healthcare and education, over tripled literacy rates to 99.9%, and more. Stay in your right-wing echo chamber formed by anecdotes and refuse to read anything.
If anecdotal evidence means shit, let me add mine too. I grew up (yes, me, not my parents, or grandparents) in a communist state in India, and it was great lol. Does that now mean that I get to deny all the legitimate criticisms of the system or that particular government? No. That’s not how it works you dumbasses. People give too much credence to anecdotal experience, even though it’s the most unreliable of all.
Absolutely. There are real problems with socialist societies of all kinds, but on the whole they are positive. You can find positive anecdotes in the worst societies and negative in the best, what’s important is doing the due dilligence to study what went right and what went wrong truthfully. Thanks for your anecdote!
Did you read up on all the atrocities caused by capitalism? Have you looked into the US gulag system? Its literally a plot point in the Andor series.
“wHaTaBoUt”
Yes, whatabout.
Because you can’t dismiss one system unless you’ve resolved the parallel conflicts in the replacement.
I wonder if the discourse here and elsewhere suffers from the perspectives used to approach the topic initially. Asking the question of “how do we get this system to work,” rather than just submitting to the failed outcomes of well-known examples. Most people don’t want to create a system by which one or a small group of people can prosper at the detriment of the larger community. I think understanding how these systems affect their populations on a granular level is the only way we can find/create the best system.
Why would I EVER want communism to work? Would you “sit down” and start thinking “how do we get Nazi Germany to work”? Of course you wouldn’t.
Well, by “working” I mean providing a framework for all of its citizens to pursue prosperity and happiness. “Working/success” would mean that none of the atrocities were able to happen, and different leaders would have been selected.
it doubled the life expectancy of those in the USSR
Does that include political dissidents, homosexual people, and economic criminals? Oh those people were executed in droves? My mistake.
Don’t waste your time on cowbee, he’s well spoken and slightly more polite than the rest of his ilk but he’s just as murderous as the rest of them, it’s just harder to get him to take his mask off.
Yes, it includes Nazis, the White Army, capitalists, etc. Gay people weren’t executed, the punishment was 5 years imprisonment, which is still awful but was better than other countries at the time. Calling me “murderous” for supporting socialist countries is laughable when you make shit up, lmao.
I don’t put on a “mask,” I’m openly a communist. I make it clear that I’m a Marxist, specifically a Marxist-Leninist. I have more patience than most, I’d say, but that doesn’t mean I “hide” anything.
The mask is the “no we totally don’t want to murder people…except these people we decided should be murdered 'cause they’re Kulaks.” The quiet masky part is the “actually murder is good when I dislike someone” bit.
And forgive me, I was confusing Cuba executing gay people for the USSR, small whoopsie, and I’m sure none of the USSR gay people were worked to death in a gulag during their bid, nooo never.
Yeah defo a tankie. The absolute gall of these people to lecture the descendants of the victims of communism, about how great it was.
You described capitalism! Bravo!
I’m pretty sure last time I read a thing you sent me and replied, you just told me to read more things.
I don’t really remember that, but reading is always good.
Not if you’re doing it purely for clout.
I guess, but I don’t see how that’s relevant. Who reads for “clout?”
Your whole profile is “I’m a leftist theory guru”. And then you don’t actually have anything to offer when engaged.
I have never said I’m a “leftist theory guru.” I do read a good deal of theory, but there are many here who have read a lot more than I have. I have read enough to know when I see something wrong, though, so I try to help correct it.
I have no idea what you mean by saying I “don’t have anything to offer when engaged.” Further, if you think I read what I read for clout on a tiny, fringe website, then that’s absurd. If I wanted clout for reading, I’d go to Twitter or Bluesky, or even YouTube, where the audience is far larger.
Got to cultivate that echo chamber
Horseshoe theory isn’t real lol
Does this mean that being willing to eradicate people for the greater good of humanity (far left) is not the same as being willing to eradicate people for the greater good of a secular minority (far right)?
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Get dunked
Gottem!
