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      To be fair, it’s the same amount of sugar as most other sodas and had less caffeine than a typical coffee. The real issue is that a lot of their marketing targets a younger audience who probably shouldn’t be drinking caffeinated drinks yet.

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        I say this as a long term caffeine for the rest of my life addict. Coffee + sugar is a wildly different effect than just coffee. I avoid sugar completely during my coffee hours.

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          Hi. What’s the different effect? I’ve never considered that before.

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            Coffein simply blocks the receptors in your body that send the signals to your brain that you are tired, while sugar is essentially pure energy. I’m no expert on this subject, but afaik both coffein and sugar increases blood pressure, which is probably not an ideal thing.

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        The most popular energy drinks in Sweden are sugar free but contain 180mg of caffeine, that’s two large cups of coffee.

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          A tall coffee at Starbucks has about 230mg of caffeine and that’s fairly typical. A large coffee at 90mg would either be 2/3rds decaf or incredibly watery.

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            I dont think Starbucks is considered a cofee in europe. More like an american desert cofee honestly. And how large even is that? Half a liter? Typical cofee in europe is at max half of that.

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            There are huge variations between chains in a single country, let alone between countries. And ‘large’ in the US likely means something very different to what ‘large’ means in different parts of Europe.

            But your point stands up, in general. Starbucks is noticeably low in caffeine (in the UK) and 90mg would be low in a medium (chain) coffee here:

            A medium cappuccino at Costa Coffee contains a “massive” 325mg of caffeine, almost five times the strength of the Starbucks version with a modest 66mg.

            By contrast, Greggs and Pret A Manger also use significantly less caffeine in a cappuccino of the same size, at 197mg and 180mg respectively. Caffè Nero had the second lowest levels of caffeine after Starbucks in this drink specifically, containing between 110mg and 115mg.

            The study also found that one single espresso from Pret A Manger contains 180mg of caffeine, or six times as much as its Starbucks counterpart. Pret’s filter coffee also contained the highest caffeine levels at 271mg, compared to 225mg at Greggs and 102mg at Starbucks.

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        Energy drinks often contain a bunch of other stuff - e.g. Taurine, which isn’t necessarily bad per se, as it eliminates some of the caffeine side effects (jitteriness), but that may arguably make it more addictive.

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    That’s not a bad idea.

    Now let’s stop calling them ‘energy’ drinks.

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      Yeah. Energy drinks are fucking scams.

      No wonder people who actually need energy don’t use them while those who sit on their ass all day do.

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          The best workers are hydrating with good ol’ water.

          The kids are drinking ‘energy’ drinks.

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        The thing is that they taste good. But there is no justification for their price tag( coca cola and pepsi sodas actually fall in the same bucket,quite good but why would you buy them for that price,especialy since it costs them next to nothing to make ).

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          As far as I can tell, the difference between the brand colas and the non-brand ones, is that the brand ones don’t destroy my guts. 2 cups of the cheaper colas and I’m shitting liquid for a week.

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    eh, fair enough. teenage energy drink addiction has caused me years of insomnia. we already have an age restriction on energy drinks in the UK, though it’s 16 not 18

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      I don’t think that’s true anymore. The ban wasn’t formally finalised and was quietly dropped during the pandemic. The store I work at still sells energy drinks to under 16s. We used to have to check, but they changed it and took the warning off our tills.

      ETA: stores can implement their own policies though, if they do wish to age check people buying energy drinks.

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        I have no idea what’s going on then lol. pretty much every shop I’ve been to has asked for ID when buying energy drinks

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      Reading those comments drops your IQ by 5 points. Now calculate the economic impact that will have… You can’t because reading this comment drops your IQ by another 5 points :(

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        the whole point of banning energy drink sales to minors is that minors are at a higher increase of heart issues because their body can’t handle caffeine like adults. but sure, everyone else is the idiot on this one and “the economy” is definitely more important than kids’ health

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    Absolutely a good thing. As someone who drank a lot of energy drinks in high school, it was not worth it.

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      Sadly, large amounts of caffeine were a way to control my ADHD when I couldn’t afford medication. I still usually have an energy drink daily, even though I’m medicated now. At least that’s less that what I used to do.

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        imagine if this whole thing was about cigarettes. id imagine people would be questioning why it wasnt age restricted sooner. caffeine and nicotine are practically the same type of addiction, but one of them is legal for almost anybody to get and the other is getting banned more and more

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            not having caffeine for a few days gives withdrawal effects same as nicotine withdrawal effects (not exactly the same, but same idea if you get what im trying to convey)

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              Yeah but there aren’t severe short term or long term effects from drinking caffeine, as there are with cigarettes. Insomnia and increased blood pressure but that’s about it, isn’t it? Smoking causes immediate infections and many long terms issues including lots of different types of cancer.

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                short term effects trouble sleeping, irregular heartbeat, restlessness etc. etc. can trigger panic attacks to people who are prone to them and potentially can kill children

                long term are insomnia, constant anxiety (i have witnessed first hand caffeines effects on anxiety. it sucks to see), depression, stomach problems, high blood pressure, and it also has problems when used during pregnancy and breast feeding

                so yeah to me its a little weird how normal caffeine is in life to where it is almost unrestricted where i live while nicotine has flavor bans

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                  These symptoms will stop though if you stop drinking caffeine - not necessarily the case with cigarettes.

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            When I was a teenager, we were shotgunning beers and smoking hash. A lot worse than a few energy drinks a month.

            When I was a teenager, I started drinking coffee before I went to school. Everyone was still half asleep and I couldn’t sit still as coffee was my energy drink. I regret it now because I need more caffeine to wake up.

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            Only those energy drinks that have artificially added caffeine or taurine are going to have their sales restricted to those over 18.

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            It’s harder to quit than you think for some people. Any addiction can be hard to give up. And you do feel like shit if you stop using caffeine cold turkey after drinking 12 cups of coffee a day.

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                OP referenced nicotine not cigarettes specifically. Things like vaping and chew fall into this category too and both have been restricted in many parts of the world over the last few years “for the children.”

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                Maybe. I don’t know. I think it depends on the person. I quit cigarettes cold turkey and have never touched another one since. My wife had to quit over months. We both smoked for the same amount of time and smoked about the same number a day.

                Now I don’t feel I need to quit caffeine. I have a big mug of tea in the morning and that’s it. But I can see someone who drinks coffee constantly, and I’ve known people like that, having a much harder time quitting that than I did quitting smoking.

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        It’s not only much cheaper to not have a caffeine addiction, but it also I think makes me much more present as I don’t need caffeine in the mornings to function, and I get enough sleep. Just seems better to me.

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          No time for sleep when you either

          1. Need to work till 17:00 and then also do need to do even more when you’re home

          Or

          1. Party the whole night
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      Red bull profits go brrrr.

      Curious why people drink energy drinks when they sit on their ass all day. Like, athletes don’t drink this shit lol; gamers do.

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        Shit’s addictive. As a long time smoker who tried energy drinks during crunch time, I can assure you the withdrawal symptoms and sharp decline in effectiveness is exactly like smoking.

        Don’t smoke nor drink energy drinks, kids.

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          I mean, when I stopped nicotine that just caused me to “replace” it with caffeine instead. Not sure which is worse tbh

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          Easier on the stomach than coffee, and free manufacturing break room coffee can be one of the harshest chemicals in industry.

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    Idk what y’all think but honestly I’d say these little cans of poison need a warning lable like cigarettes as well

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    I hope this would also include products like “5 hour energy”, which are energy drinks, but in a smaller and even easier to shot down package.

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        “excluding products where those substances occur naturally.”

        That seems like a dumb exception. It’s not like naturally occurring caffeine is somehow better for you. If it’s above that limit, then the law should apply to that as well.

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          It’s a lot easier to pass a law banning the sale of artificial drinks to minors than it is to ban coffee sales to minors.

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            Artificial drinks, not caffeine? Coffee is artificial drink too because it is human-made.

            It nearly impossible to define energy-drinks in a way that does not include coffee, but include off-the-shelf drinks.

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              Coffee has its beans dried and roasted, then ground and seeped in water. If you’re going to call that artificial, then you are claiming that literally any cooked food is also artificial.

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                And you are correct.

                For those who think energy drinks are not the same, please point out at which stage coffee is no longer coffee and why:

                1. Make coffee
                2. Filter it
                3. Evaporate more water
                4. Add sugar
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                  I’m gonna go with the step you didn’t list which is soaking them in dichloromethane or ethyl acetate for several hours, or submersing them in high pressure, supercritical carbon dioxide, to extract the pure caffeine. Then adding that pure caffeine into a mixture of artificial sugars, preservatives, and food dyes.

                  But sure, that’s totally the same as something that’s essentially a type of tea.

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                Coffee has its beans dried and roasted

                Coffee beans are dried. Then beans then ungo a Maillard reaction, caramelisation, pyrolysis and decarboxilation to form new organic componds

                then ground and seeped in water

                Then ground to maximize the surface area. The prouder is then extracted using unpure H2O as solvent. A higher temperature is needed to raise the solubility of the compounds.

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                  You can describe anything that’s consumed by people with chemical terms and it’s gonna sound unnatural.

                  You remind me of that old joke site warning people of the dangers of the chemical compound DHMO (dihydrogen monoxide)

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          I would argue that naturally occurring caffeine is much worse than synthetic caffeine because it also contains rest of plant’s toxins and other not so good stuff.

          On the other hand not that anyone uses sunthetic caffeine in their drinks. It is expensive as hell.

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      Those kind of things aren’t really popular outside of America. I only ever see them in America

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        They’re pure sugar water and caffeine. I drink them but do you honestly think there is a chance they are healthy in any possible way?

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          No? I mean it’s a decent source of B vitamins and taurine, but cmon.

          But I don’t think chocolate is healthy and I let my kids have chocolate sundaes sometimes too.

          I don’t see why teaching my children moderation could ever be seen as bad.

          FWIW I don’t normally allow my 8 year old to drink pop (friends birthdays are about it) but my 17 year old having a large Starbucks coffee once or twice a week was not a big deal to me.

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            That all seems reasonable, but none of this was alluded to in your previous comment and it gave the implication that you were suspicious of energy drinks being labeled “unhealthy.”

            Also I think there are benefits with chocolate. It’s the sugary Hersheys type chocolate that is nothing but empty calories.

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          Yeah I wouldn’t recommend people drink 3 of these controversial energy drinks per day, both for health and financial reasons.

          From your link:

          Up to 400 milligrams (mg) of caffeine a day appears to be safe for most healthy adults. That’s roughly the amount of caffeine in four cups of brewed coffee, 10 cans of cola or two “energy shot” drinks.

          1/3rd of that consumed by a teenager really doesn’t seem that scary, and the page you linked agrees.

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            Energy drinks (EDs) are sweetened beverages that contain multiple stimulants such as caffeine, guarana, or taurine.

            The results of this study reveal that the consumption of a single, bodyweight-adjusted ED dosage is linked with a significantly higher median 24-h SBP (+5.26 mmHg) and DBP (+3.45 mmHg), compared to a placebo beverage, in healthy children and adolescents. A meta-analysis by Conen et al. suggests that an increase of 10 mmHg in 24-h SBP is connected with a 27% higher risk for cardiovascular events.38 In addition, a population-based study by Hansen et al. indicates that an increase of 5 mmHg in 24-h DBP is associated with a 27% higher risk for cardiovascular disease.39 Therefore, the ED-induced alterations in the pediatric 24-h blood pressure profile displayed in this study can be considered alarming.

            Moreover, chronic ED consumption could result in arterial hypertension and hence increased left ventricular afterload, ultimately leading to left ventricular dysfunction and hypertrophy.16 A previous publication conducted by our department reported a significantly lower cardiac efficiency after acute ED consumption in healthy children and adolescents.16 Furthermore, many EDs contain high amounts of sugar and thus “empty” calories. Chronic ED consumption could therefore lead to the onset of glucose metabolism disorders and aggravate weight gain. As ED consumption is associated with a shorter sleep duration,32 it might additionally increase cardiovascular risk.35 In summary, children and adolescents, particularly those with elevated cardiovascular morbidity (e.g., arterial hypertension, diabetes, excess weight), should be discouraged from consuming EDs. Moreover, minors should be made aware of the potential health risks of excessive ED intake as well as responsible ED consumption behaviors.

            Source: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41390-023-02598-y

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              The administered ED dosage was bodyweight-adjusted (3 mg caffeine per kilogram of bodyweight) and reflected the maximum daily caffeine intake for healthy children and adolescents as proposed by the EFSA

              Yeah I wouldn’t let my kid have that much caffeine for sure.

              For my waifish daughter, that’s around 200mg of caffeine which seems really high, outside of what the average person consumes.

              By comparison, I’m cool with my kid having about half that, or approximately 1 Monster/Large coffee, once she’s a late teen.

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          That’s 1/3 less caffeine than in a 16oz iced coffee from Dunkin Donuts, and a large is 32oz.

          I’m not arguing to give large coffees to 8 year olds but rather that this isn’t as much caffeine as people think it is

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            One argument I could see is that energy drinks are super sweet and sugary (not to mention cheeper) and on top of that they have bunch of cool flavors. While coffee is more off-putting

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              coffee is more off-putting

              It straight up offends me to concede this point lol

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            Coffee is ilegal for children in most countries, so thease should be as well, but you have a point.

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      I was about to ask if he did something new, but then I realized that it wouldn’t matter. That whole man is a “situation”.

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          I work in a grocery store in Europe and now that Prime is produced in Poland and it doesnt cost absurdly, I can say that mostly, if not only, kids are the ones drinking it.

          Edit: I just got back to work and checked that my country’s biggest chains only sell Prime Hydration, which is caffeine free.

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          That’s as much caffeine as 3 8oz cups of coffee, which doesn’t seem that extreme to me.

          Any large iced coffee from Dunkin has more caffeine.

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          Are you fucking kidding me? Christ. “not marketed for people under 18” my ass, they fucking know Logan’s main audience are kids (idk about ksi but I suspect his is similar) and that kids are absolutely gonna drink their fucking caffeine nuke.

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    This was also implemented in Lithuania around maybe 5 years ago. Some kids would still get it by asking their parents or strangers to buy them, but they definitely got more rare, to the point where at least where I am, you’d more often see a teen with a ciggie rather than a teen with an energy drink.

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      In Latvia this started on 2016, June 1st. Not sure if it ever was a big problem, I think this law came because there was an incident when some kid died.

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        Similar thing happened in the US with Four Lokos after a bunch of college kids died but we only banned Four Lokos due to the alcohol and caffeine mix.

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    good for poland. I have a nickname for “Energy drinks”: Heart attacks in a can. If you want/need caffeine get a coffee or a pop like a normal person.

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      What is it that makes coffee better for you than an energy drink? I know they usually have an obscene amount of sugar and caffeine, but you can get that in coffee too. I make a drink fairly often with 4 shots of espresso, around 250mg of caffeine. It doesn’t have that much sugar but I could easily add as much as I wanted. A normal cup of coffee would of course be much better than an energy drink, but if energy drinks should have restrictions then why shouldn’t coffee too?

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        That’s what I don’t understand too. They can just buy a doubletripple espresso and add a lot of sugar to ease the taste. Maybe a bit of cinnamon hint too. What’s the real difference here?

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          The difference is popular conception. Laws aren’t set based on science. They’re set based on what enough people believe. People believe energy drinks are worse and thus they get regulated whether or not it’s true.

          Advertising, audience, and stereotypes play a part in this too. Coffee is stereotypically consumed by older people, whereas energy drinks are often younger people (who older people find annoying). Coffee also has a much greater social acceptance that would make it controversial to regulate. End result is that it’s popular to limit energy drinks but unpopular to point out that coffee has far more caffeine.

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            Laws aren’t set based on science.

            That is big problem in our societies.

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            It’s a weird trend. Products that are popular with youth and “seem” un-healthy get banned by populistic laws, despite limited evidence proving them actually being un-healthy.

            The other prominent example I can think is vaping. I don’t even vape, but it’s weird to see it demonized as much as cigarettes, when the evidence for it being as harmful is very limited.

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          It’s the convenience I think. You can carry an energy drink in your backpack all day and consume it whenever. A coffee is more motivated so you order it when you want to drink it. But of course there are exceptions. It seems the goal of this is just to cut down the caffeine by making large doses less convenient, not to remove caffeine completely.

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        What is it that makes coffee better for you than an energy drink?

        He drinks coffee instead of energy drinks, therefore coffee is better.

        Same thing with drugs. All the drugs I do are okay, all the drugs everyone else does isn’t.

        It’s a childish mentality that we’ve yet to get over as a species, even in adulthood.

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          did you just make an assumption about what I consume? Damn, that makes you look pretty dumb. I don’t drink coffee, btw. I love the smell, never had it or tasted it. The only way caffeine gets into my body is through pop (Dr Pepper, preferably) and I guess chocolate since chocolate has caffeine. But definitely not the absurd levels of caffeine that energy drinks have

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        Everything makes coffee better. Energy drink is ultra processed crap, coffee is natural and has been used for centuries.

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              Well according to you, being natural and having a long history means its safe. Are you now saying that maybe a substance’s origin has nothing to so with how dangerous it is?

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            Probably more that the long term use of coffee is very well understood and researched. And while excessive use of anything is bad, coffee have not displayed issues bad enouhf that it needed regulation.

            A “coffee” at starbucks, or an energy drink Have more in common with a dessert, then water filtered thru ground up beans.
            And 3 desserts a day have quickly shown health issues.

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              A “coffee” at starbucks, or an energy drink Have more in common with a dessert, then water filtered thru ground up beans.

              Is your only problem the sugar? If so, don’t you think some coffee drinks should be regulated as well as energy drinks? That’s essentially my point, I don’t think it makes sense to enforce age restrictions on energy drinks but not on similar products too.

              If its the caffeine, then regular coffee isn’t necessarily better than an energy drink anyway. Caffeine content in coffee varies wildly based on numerous different factors. You can make a cup of black coffee with 265mg of caffeine in it, and it would even be cheaper than one with 100mg.

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      Good. When I was young, an energy drink almost gave me a heart attack because my heart was beating too fast. In my opinion, these drinks are dangerous.

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      Funny nickname, but have you got any evidence for your claims?

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    Utter bullshit. The world does need more ways to restrict, exclude, and infantilize young people. This should be subverted by every possible means.

    I imagine this cuts off right at the voting age? So it only affects people who never had a say in who passed it and can’t effectively hold them to account for it?