• FnordPrefect [comrade/them, he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Me in 2027: Ah for the halcyon days of being able to confidently refer to any (or even all of them collectively) of the highly contagious diseases wreaking havoc in the country as “plague” without risk of causing confusion sicko-wistful

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    My suspicion is he avoided the doctor for long enough that his health declined past the point where antibiotics would fix it.

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      Avoiding the doctor is pretty much the reality for most Americans. A simple checkup with insurance can still cost hundreds of dollars, as I’m sure you know

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      yeah, I’m reading more about it now and it looks like death is fairly preventable

      northern AZ is pretty chuddified, so I’m wondering how much of a mindset like “I’m not going to no DEI doctor who will give me woke vaccines frothingfash” was a factor here

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        Northern AZ is also very rural outside of Flagstaff (which is one of the blue cities), and Coconino County contains parts of the Navajo, Hopi, Havasupai, Hualapai, and Kaibab-Pauite reservations. There is a lot of poverty and limited access to healthcare for a lot of these communities.

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            I mean with healthcare not existing, you literally have to decide if you want to risk your life or your rent which is your life with extra steps in this hell country.

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          Do you mean that you suspect his case of plague started as pneumonia? Because that’s possible. Or do you mean that plague generally starts as pneumonia? Because that’s wrong. If the disease hits your lungs you get pneumonic plague, if it hits your lymph nodes you get bubonic plague and if it starts growing in the blood you get septicemic plague. You can have overlaps and you can get only one of them.

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      I’ll tell you how we should blame this on chuds: tell them this culture of Retvrn to Evropa and Rome and whatever nonsense is a return to literal continents filled with plague killed corpse piles and maybe they should Retvrn to planet earth

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        The Black Death was around for like…30 years. Mideval guys weren’t like Monty Python depicts. They bathed and stuff. Miedeval shit is complicated but it wasnt a bunch of shit covered bog people who lived to 40 at best.

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          it wasnt a bunch of shit covered bog people who lived to 40 at best

          Admittedly I assumed the people in the middle ages were anti-bathers; I recall hearing frequently that lords at that time didn’t used to bathe and there was a famous person who took pride that in his entire life he only ever bathed like…one time. Also I recall hearing the French used to perfume themselves up because they didn’t bathe either and were also covered in diseases. I do admit ‘shit covered bog people’ was actually my initial view; especially as I kept hearing how one of the many ways the vikings differed from them as well was that the vikings bathed (as did native Americans).

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            So most of that is either Victorian period guys making shit up about mideval Europe which is where a lot of modern pop culture interpretation is still largely based in or early modern period rich guys and maybe some mideval rich guys. Germ theory wasn’t a thing of course but there was some long observed cause and effect in regards to being dirty as hell and disease. Cleanliness was also next to godliness so mideval guys did feel a spiritual need to bathe as well to an extent. Rich people not bathing was sort of a flex in how rich they are. The idea was they aren’t out there sweating and toiling so bathing was less necessary for them. Peasants would regularly ‘bathe’ by just getting naked and jumping in the river. Washing clothes was a whole ordeal as was most domestic stuff which is partially why peasants seemingly had so many days off, those were days off from getting your lord the grain so you can do laundry, re-thatch the roof, animal husbandry shit, and also to tend your own damn grain that youre gonna eat.

            Victorian guys who loved to slander and romanticize the middle ages simultaneously also lived in disgusting filthy conditions due to the recent forced urbanity which were way grosser than any mideval farm or even city but they were kinds hyped on themselves so they had to imagine the past as being even grosser