“Some of you may be willing to die, but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make” but unironically

Edit: The user has since apologised https://hexbear.net/comment/3848285

  • aport@programming.devEnglish
    2·
    1 year ago

    bombing civilians in the DPR and LPR

    Proof?

    giving Russia a reasonable casus belli

    Putin didn’t even recognize DPR and LPR until the day before he invaded Ukraine. This is some concentrated revisionist history.

    • ZoomeristLeninist [they/them, she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
      19·
      1 year ago

      here is the info abt civilian bombing and here are some other war crimes.

      recognizing the DPR and LPR would seriously escalate tensions between Russia and Ukraine/NATO. Russia did, however, maintain informal relations with them, including providing aid. DPR and LPR invited Russia to liberate them from Ukraine. you have no idea what revisionist means if you think thats what im doing here. Russia absolutely had a justified casus belli

      • aport@programming.devEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        recognizing the DPR and LPR would seriously escalate tensions between Russia and Ukraine/NATO

        That’s why he did it the day before invading. Putin was hoping his separatists in DPR and LPR could weaken Ukraine without getting his hands dirty. When he saw that wasn’t working, he got involved.

        DPR and LPR invited Russia to liberate them from Ukraine.

        Yes, that’s kinda what pro-Russian separatists are supposed to do. Next you’ll tell me CPC members in Taiwan want one country, two systems.

        Russia absolutely had a justified casus belli

        Sorry I’m still not seeing it

        • Egon [they/them]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
          14·
          1 year ago

          Next you’ll tell me CPC members in Taiwan want one country, two systems.

          What do you mean? Taiwan is a part of China. It’s already one country

          • aport@programming.devEnglish
            1·
            1 year ago

            Oh boy can you start another dunk thread on this so I can flex my myopic, limited understanding of complex socio-political situations and make another fool of myself?

            • Egon [they/them]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
              3·
              1 year ago

              No reason to, you haven’t posted anything dunk-worthy with regards to Taiwan. I posted this thread to the dunk tank because I thought the callous disregard for human lives was dunk worthy, not because you didn’t know enough about Ukraine or something.

              Most of us here are westerners, we all se the same stories, we all know what we were told in school.

              There’s no shame in being misinformed, we all are - the shame is choosing to stay misinformed, when one is confronted with it. I try to read up on the takes that I disagree with, to see where they are coming from and wether I might be in the wrong.

              This also generally seems to be the culture of hexbear, which is why users are constantly asking for sources - it’s not to do some smug gotcha, but instead to do some investigation and possibly self-crit.

              I am not super well-versed in Taiwan, so if you want to know a lot I would recommend searching thru this site. There are lot of good effortposts with first-hand sources. I know @robinn2@hexbear.net has posted a lot and knows a lot about China, so you could also look thru his account for good knowledge.
              I will however just to be quick point out that the United States itself does not recognize Taiwan as a country - really no one does. They all recognise the one china policy.