The war is going great. 
Yet another horrifying scene which would be plastered all over network news if only it were happening in Russia instead.
It’s not “authoritarianism” if it’s happening in a US ally (or puppet).
Ah, I remember this.
One of my favorite tweets was in response to it actually; a guy was saying that there’s a draft and people should follow the law, that if they don’t like what the law currently is, that after the war is over they can vote to change it.
God I loved that tweet.
“You must follow the law even if it’s to your death or brutal dismemberment”
Twitter is just
Service Guarantees citizenship
“ACKSHUALLY, since this teenager is being sent to their death in a legal manner it is fine”
“Hey that sounds like a great idea, we can discuss it after the existential war has ended”
2025: …
2026: …
2027: …
2028: “hey can we talk about it now”
“No the war is not over do you want Russia to win? Now give me your son after your 15 hour shift at the Blackrock mines ends”
This shit breaks me in a way I can’t even put into words. I have a kid of similar age as the one taken in the clip. I can only imagine the horror, the absolute horror of it and how it breaks everything in you. For the mom, I don’t know if I’d be able to ever exist again if this happened. Yet in my country the ghouls are very much building consent so that this may soon become a reality and my biggest fear is exactly this. My commie kid would be sent in to sweep mines fast and it has happened here before, it would happen again. I have made actual plans of how to hide him and jesus christ…
My kids grandfather is a natohawk arsehole who gleefully signs up for this sort of shit. He never sees footage like this and if he did, he’d just dismiss it as “ruzzian propaganda”. He and others like him imagine the world like it’s some epic movie of good versus evil and the bourge news cycle they consume upholds it for them. They never ask who it is that would die for their empire, who is it that dies! Look your grabdkid in the eye and tell him that it is him you want to feed to the death machine!
I need these people to look young people in the eye and tell them they don’t care for their lives at all as long as they get to “win againts evil russia and putler”.
I work with a lib for whom I trotted everything out to explain what led to the war, but he was still ‘Putler bad’; even though I gave him context, it took him talking to people he personally trusts to finally come around. He admitted that what I’d said had put doubts in him, but he’d even been willing to say that people in Donbas (all of them) should’ve just left, and that what Ukraine was doing to them was fine because ‘well were they protesting maybe? Causing riots?’. If these people aren’t hearing it from people they personally trust, then evidence, historical context, facts, etc will do nothing.
Unless Kamala or Biden come out and say exactly all this, libs are not changing their minds; perhaps if the news would also report all this as well rather than pretend Russia just attacked Ukraine out of the blue for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
I’ve seen so many liberals on reddit defend this kind of thing, it makes me sick.
They usually argue that a draft is necessary to prevent genocide, as if Russia is exterminating people like the Nazis did or the Zionists are currently.
The only thing Ukraine stands to lose from peace is territory; THEY’RE the ones who were harassing and killing people on an ethnic basis on Eastern Ukraine.
prevent genocide, as if Russia is exterminating people like the Nazis did or the Zionists are currently.
Not like that, they are removing children from their parents en mass. So different genocide.
They’re evacuating children out of a warzone, which is the opposite of what the nazis in this video are doing to this poor young man.
Haha.
‘Countering disinformation with facts’ just means ‘uncritically believe us, the invaders of Iraq, Palestine, Iran, Afghanistan, etc., and just pretend that our designated enemies always lie, and deny them the rights to self-defence and self-determination’.It’s been 4 days you ukronazi freak, fuck off
Lol
If that was the whole truth, they would be kept with at least one parent, provided a method to communicate, or the parents provided a way to retrieve them.
Is any of that happening?
Ukraine claimed 19,000 children were kidnapped.
Russia asked for the names, so they could be reunited.
Ukraine could only produce 339 names.
“We see that there aren’t 20,000-25,000 children; the list contains only 339 [names], and we will work thoroughly on each child,” Maria Lvova-Belova told the Tass news agency.
Some of them were returned, and some were never in Russia to begin with.
161 children abducted by Russians found in Germany
In a major war affecting millions, there is bound to be some confusion and missing people (and orphans).
Stop believing the propaganda.
Search “child”
Facts versus Russia’s false claims (YYYY-MM-DD) Posted on: 2025-01-15 - Global Affairs Canada
The facts:
In its latest report, Yale Humanitarian Research Laboratories defined Russia’s program of coerced adoption as “the deportation of children from Ukraine and their subsequent placement with citizens of Russia and/or in institutions”, going far beyond temporary humanitarian measures. The Yale research shows the extent to which Russia is systematically removing these children from their homes and concealing their identities, including changing their names, to prevent their repatriation.
The report has identified 314 individual children from Ukraine placed in Russia’s systematic program of coerced adoption. Russia’s system of coerced adoption and fostering has been ordered and facilitated by
Putin and Presidential Commissioner for Children’s Rights Maria Lvova-Belova. Russia’s war of aggression against Ukraine is the reason why these children are at risk in the first place.Russia’s false claim:
Putin has repeatedly claimed that the transfer of Ukrainian children to Russia was done for humanitarian reasons.
Posted on: 2024-07-24 - Global Affairs Canada
The facts:
In temporarily occupied Ukrainian territories, Russia imposes a pro-Russia educational curriculum that suppresses Ukrainian in favour of Russian as the language of instruction. The imposed curriculum includes justifications of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and vilifications of Ukrainian nationhood. Parents of children who use the Ukrainian educational system remotely are threatened with fines, loss of custody, and detention by occupation authorities. Educators who remain loyal to the Ukrainian state are subject to threats and torture. Russian authorities require secondary schools in occupied Ukrainian territory to report the names of students aged 18 and older, deemed eligible to be drafted into the Russian military.
Russia’s false claim:
Putin claims that Russia gives Ukrainians the freedom to choose the future of their children, but the facts show otherwise.
Posted on: 2024-07-17 - Global Affairs Canada
The facts:
Russia coerces residents of the Ukrainian territories it temporarily occupies into getting Russian passports. Credible sources report children aged 13 to 17 being held in detention centers by occupying Russian forces may be transferred to adult prisons when they turn 18 for refusing Russian citizenship. Measures to push Ukrainians to accept Russian citizenship include threatening parental rights, blocking access to social support and restricting access to health care, education and other vital services. Proposed amendments to immigration laws will restrict the entry and ability to remain in Russia for foreigners. These amendments could make it difficult for Ukrainians to enter or remain in the temporarily occupied territories, forcing them to obtain a Russian passport.
Russia’s false claim:
Putin claims that Russia gives Ukrainians the freedom to choose their future.
You are really rabid about this ‘Russia bad’ thing.
Russia’s false claim:
Putin has repeatedly claimed that the transfer of Ukrainian children to Russia was done for humanitarian reasons.This is just hilarious. ‘Everything that my genocidal invasion-happy empire says and assumes is true, and what their designated enemies say is false’. Hell, you literally say that, because your empire’s mouthpieces ‘define’ something a certain way, the usage of that definition reflects reality, and you have done zero thinking about the timeline of events (newsflash, the coup of the Ukrainian government by your empire happened before any sort of military action by Russia, meaning that NATO is the aggressor here).
Also, what adoption is not ‘coerced’? Are you seriously arguing that children should not be adoptable?
If there were only 300 children why
So far, approximately 1,300 children have been successfully returned to Ukraine from Russia
And again, why were there no measures for any of the children to be reunited with their parents from the start?
StOp bELiEviNg tHe PRopOgANda.
They have been reuniting children with their parents from the start. The 1,300 tally includes people that were reunited before Ukraine made the bogus accusation that there were still 19,000 missing.
So how many are actually missing. Did Ukraine provide a complete initial list of only 300 or are there any unaccounted individuals? Are they all reunited? Not knowing this is a problem.
What kind of kidnapper returns the kids on request? None of this makes any fucking sense. You are fucking brainwashed.
Exactly. Any returns will be the bare minimum to exact some political gain.
Bro you’re crying crocodile tears over Russia “kidnapping” less total kids than
kills in a month, you’re the one believing the propagandaNot talking about Palestine.
A responsible government would be able to say “the parents could have picked up their children at any point”
But that’s not true.
Quick question. Do you believe there are no Ukrainians in Russia.
No thats not what the genocide statute at the UN considers as evidence of genocide.
The Russian SMO was in response to prevent an ethnic cleansing and further abuse of the ethnic Russian speaking portions in eastern Ukraine. It is not a war to conquer Ukraine or to eliminate its people because Russia and Ukraine are fraternal nations only a few decades ago part of a same larger, greater nation.
The war was to be concluded in Istanbul in the summer of 2022 (only a few months of heavy fighting) but the negotiations were derailed by the Ukrainian side who then killed their negotiator. The aims of the Russian side has always been demilitarization and no NATO (plus the annexation of the requisite oblasts) and for Ukraine to be a neutral buffer zone, not a pro EU/NATO or pro Russian puppet.
Now this conflict had dragged on for 3 years and looking to its 4th. Entire generations of Ukrainians have disappeared because the fighting motto of westerners is “to the last Ukrainian” not because evil Russians love kidnappings babies or whatever blood libel you came up with.
The only just side is the Russian side who is fighting against NATO, not Ukraine.
Ok, I’ll ignore the international condemnation about this, thank you for educating me
Super funny because all the international condemnation has done was prolong the war and get more of Ukraine killed and also buy the Ukrainian state resources for pennies while framing it as a “mineral rights” deal (or in other words let the US do exactly this)
Yes please ignore the international community and you’ll be just as cool and right as me.
It was amusing watching you learn - in almost real time - basic things about a topic you confidently made assertions about
Not learning anything. Basic questions have not been answered.
Not learning anything.
Apart from the fact that all of your assumptions - like how Russia has supposedly been kidnapping and not returning children - have been wrong.
It’s very obvious that you are just buying into yet another series of ‘Iraq has WMDs’ lies with no critical thinking involved, and that you think that your colonial genocidal empire is somehow the ‘good guys’ when they try to bring weapons and personnel to other countries borders in order to coerce them into doing your bidding.
So how many are actually missing. Did Ukraine provide a complete initial list of only 300 or are there any unaccounted individuals? Are they all reunited? Not knowing this is a problem.
Nice goalpost movement. Here’s what you originally said:
Not like that, they are removing children from their parents en mass. So different genocide.
You have already learned that Russia has not been doing that, and has been returning children to their families, so your attempts to pretend that you have not been learning anything are not going to work.
The insinuation that Russia has supposedly been deliberately separating families by kidnapping children is yet to even be substantiated, and, considering that you have been shown to be ignorant of basic facts about the topic, we can conclude that you simply bought into ‘Iraq has WMDs’-style nonsense.Also, it’s quite rich to complain about Russia separating families by kidnapping family members when Ukraine has been doing exactly that, on video.
So where is the full list of children? Did they maintain one?
Is this the only list? If they are returning some, but not all, or providing a way for families to be reunited, they have still separated families and abducted children.
And yes, conscripted adults are different from abducted minors.
Also funny, Russia is conscripting parents AND abducting children. So if we are comparing, they are worse not the same.
Do you have any sources? Don’t mean that in an antagonistic way, I want them to show others. I’ve been trying to educate myself on this as well.
A source for what exactly? That Ukraine was shelling and sending death squads after Ukrainians of Russian ethnicity for 8 years prior to the war starting?
Someone else posted this in the thread earlier:
tankie.tube/w/11tj9dfjvqbdfbmzqvsuu1
The ID portion of the URL is case sensitive.
Thank you!
Yeah, that’s perfect, thanks. I missed that comment.
Frag your CO kid
That’s difficult for Ukrainian soldiers. A lot of their COs are commanding through iPads.
Wait seriously
There was a guy who volunteered for the Ukrainian military and then defected to Russia to give them intel; he claims Ukrainian snipers are watching the draftees as well.
Was gonna ask why anyone would follow orders coming out of an ipad.
They literally made an app to “decentralize command and run the war like a start-up”
forward he cried from the rear and the front line died
I don’t understand how decentralizing connects to this, though I definitely believe you that they said that, since they’ve said and done even more ridiculous techbro things than that.
I don’t think they understand it either
I’m sure they were just stringing together buzzwords to sound smart
the first half of that might be ok but holy shit the second half
The metal gear series became a documentary so fast I didn’t even notice
The Ukraine war is such a clear example of an elite completely selling out their people. On a Radio war nerd episode a guest made a very good point. Despite Russia comitting the ultimate war crime and declaring war, the choice of Ukraine to meet it head on in a direct confrontation was very surprising. Like what happened behind the scenes for this to happen? And it seems what happened is that the US wanted Ukraine to be it’s proxy and elite were happy to comply, for whatever benefits they got out of selling out their people. The two most evil figures in this from my point of view are Boris Johnson and obviously Zelensky whose descent into pure evil has been gradual but more or less complete at this point. Ukraine had one chance when they had initially pushed back the Russians to negotiate from a strong position. Now Ukraine’s best function is to show other US vassals (Taiwan, Japan and South Korea especially) what their future is going to be if they keep toeing the line and being good little servants to empire.
Despite Russia comitting the ultimate war crime and declaring war, the choice of Ukraine to meet it head on in a direct confrontation was very surprising.
I also wanted to add to this that I am not convinced Russia would have attacked if Ukraine committed to neutrality. Not that it excuses Russia in any way.
Like what happened behind the scenes for this to happen?
recommend watching this, it’s translated work of a Ukrainian communist in Kharkiv
that video was really good. Like just the layers to the right wing decline of Ukraine that made it fertile ground for imperial ambitions
The two most evil figures in this from my point of view are Boris Johnson and obviously Zelensky
And it’s wild that people still don’t know who Igor Kolomoisky is, Ukrainian/ Israeli dual passport holder and billionaire who was one of Azov’s biggest funders but also funded a lot of Zelensky’s movies before getting into politics and funded his presidential campaign
billionaires just get a by for anything they do. Epstein files for example. And that’s the ones that have been exposed. Most billionaires just do their demon shit without any of it even seeing the light of day.
Yeah as much as I hate a guy like Zelensky or all the NATO politicians, it’s the billionaires like Kolomoisky who are truly behind the wheel and deserve as much or more of a spotlight
I think politicians are worse than the billionaires. They are class traitors of the highest order
Like maybe they do less damage than billionaires but I find them more detestable
It’s true that’s a valid point, I more mean that without correctly blaming and targeting billionaires, politicians successfully serve as easily replaceable scapegoats for the outrage people rightfully have
Yeah definitely a secondary role for politicians in this fucking system. The primary role being to sell out the voters
Despite Russia comitting the ultimate war crime and declaring war,
I completely detest this argument, is it acceptable to sit on your hands watching civilians getting shelled by artillery on your border because they rightly voted to leave a fascist country?
Of course Russia’s ruling class is not joining this conflict for the best reasons, but fundamentally it was Ukraine attacking it’s civilians that started this war.
Yeah the russia ukraine war is definitely not a russia bad ukraine good situation. I think Ukraine is more in the wrong if you consider what the goals of a Ukraine victory were (disintegration of the Russian country, capitalist emiseration of its people, theft of its resources by capitalists etc.) I was just saying that as just an axiom.
in a marginally better world:
Bill Maher watches helplessly as he is press-ganged into the Armed Forces of Ukraine
Busification videos are endless, Zelensky’s regime will fight to the last Ukrainian as commanded by its NATO master
takes like 10 big guys to get 1 skinny guy
what do they do next, bring him out to the woods and kick the shit out of him?
its giving “Strongest UkroFascists vs. Weakest Swoletariat” vibes
They take him to the barracks and kick the shit out of him.
Russia will collapse any day now. Just one more doomed offensive bro
About what I’d expect from a country whose national hero was a Nazi war criminal.
what the fuck is with the watermarks? actively denying any agitprop use of this video? pathetic.
imagine thinking your logos are more important than these peoples lives
Yeah, it sucks. I wish I could find the raw footage.
Even rawest footage available is usually watermarked, the telegram channels love to have their logo on the content of the others.
This is the worst aspect of modern Russia.
I’ve been looking for something like this.
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The Soviets didn’t need to pressgang anyone because the nazis were slaughtering entire villages down to even babies. People were drafted, but they didn’t resist because it was a calling to defend their families from a genocidal entity.
Prisoners were offered pardons in exchange for service and they formed penal battalions. Military police were placed behind them to make sure they didn’t mutiny or desert. That’s about the closest you’ll find to what the Ukrainians are doing now.
I’d be remiss if I didn’t mention the penal units were thrown back in prison after the war ended, something I think most communists would agree was wrong of Stalin to do. It led to the сучья Wars and later establishment of multiple organized crime groups. These crime groups would later contribute to the breakup of the USSR as they were easily recruited assets for the CIA and they had the cash to buy up everything after the collapse. Putin himself was in charge of the anti-organized crime division of the KGB, a position he used for personal gain.
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What even are you on about? The US, Britain, and every other member of the Allies drafted people and did so without pressgangs. Current day Russia isn’t the Soviet Union (as evidenced by them invading another former member of the USSR) so I’m not sure what the Soviets’ actions during WWII proves.
Press ganged for the sake of NATO expansion and corrupt Nazi oligarchs in Kiev
VS
Conscripted to hold back the tide of Nazi exterminationists that had already killed tens of millions
Hmmm, damn this is hard, I can’t see the difference
The war? Which war? what are you even talking about, what’s your point
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It is still unclear what you’re referring to. So are you talking about the first or second war in which the USSR was faced with an existential threat and extermination?
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Let me say this politely, dude.
This wasn’t even a disagreement on some finer point of historiography. You literally didn’t even know there have been multiple invasions of the USSR. If you are an American, I can excuse the poor education.
Know where you are at. You are ignorant of history. Evidently you realise this and are cowed. But if you have no time for me, have some time for yourself, and examine your ignorance of basic historical facts.
Nor any time to say shit that makes sense, apparently
You clearly do have a lot of time for them, dude, considering that you aren’t spending it on learning anything about what you decide to speak confidently about.
The one war in which Soviet russia was attacked.
Except for when the European powers, including Poland invaded Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus around 1920, as a result of which Poland occupied parts of Ukraine and Belarus.
Surely you did not forget about that. Surely. /sAlso, what other wars do you think the USSR (and the RSFSR) participated in, and in what capacity?
I was just talking about the one that we remembered the most as kids, and the movies and stories we heard about them in russia.
Notably, you forgot both the other times where the USSR (and the RSFSR) were attacked, and insinuated that the USSR was an aggressor in any sort of serious manner in any wars.
You mean in World War II?
I’m not sure (doubtful). However, WWII was a legitimate war of extermination in which the Nazis starved a million Russian civilians in Leningrad alone.
Ukrainian nationalists want to retain the Donbass so they can continue to ethnically cleanse the Russian Ukrainians who live there (and want to be a part of Russia).
They are not the same.
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Are you a fucking chatbot? Lib outlets like VICE and Vox were openly talking about the nazification of Ukraine for years before the war
You didn’t watch it. 😕
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If you are being honest, thank you.
I don’t dispute that Russia has Nazis (although not as many), but they are not at the center of the conflict in the way that Ukraine’s fascists, who started the conflict in 2014, are. Ukraine’s Nazis tried to eliminated the Russian language—the first language for the majority of people in the Donbass—from all public life, and they traveled to the east of the country to carry out pogroms. Zelenskyy ran on a campaign of peace, but he was unable to rein them in because they are CIA-backed.
Which Russian politicians are you referring to? Just curious. I like to stay informed.
That still doesn’t make this a war of extermination. Explain to me why the second Largest population of Ukrainians outside of Ukraine isn’t being driven out of their homes and attacked like Palestianians in the West Bank?
Nazism is criminalized in the Russian military de jure
Not only is Nazism celebrated in the Ukrainian military, it’s celebrated by the entirety of the Ukrainian state in general
Russia is a country with an underground neo-nazi problem, Ukraine IS A NAZI STATE, get the difference shitlib
My point is that this war is not about nazis, it’s just framed as such
Not about nazis, just gotta shove Azov battalion out of the way, tuck this ukrainian iron cross over there, some nordic runes, some swastikas… A lot of clean-up for the slava ukraini crowd to do, huh?
I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that Azov was elevated from a battalion to a regiment to a brigade, and now a corps, one of only two corps in the Ukraine national guard
Just a coincidence, much like the sonnenrads, totenkopfs, wolfsangels and other insignia that Ukrainian soldiers seem to love showing off on their uniforms and tattoos
Many such cases of Ukrainian units naming themselves after Waffen SS just a coincidence though, much like the youth camps where the kids play Hugo Boss dressup for graduation, much like the swastikas the western forces spray painted on houses in the Donbas
Meanwhile how’s Prigozhin doing these days? So many examples from the West Ukraine side, meanwhile it’s seemingly always vague references to rampant Nazism in Russia but I’ll wait for more concrete examples
Oh fuck off. Did you watch the video? Did you witness the distress of this young human that was taken against their will? Does it make you feel anything at all, or why the fuck do you bring up soviet russia (which is an unserious argument btw.) Wtf would it matter if it did happen in soviet russia? Would it make this ok?
