The war is going great. dean-smile

Yet another horrifying scene which would be plastered all over network news if only it were happening in Russia instead.

It’s not “authoritarianism” if it’s happening in a US ally (or puppet).

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    prevent genocide, as if Russia is exterminating people like the Nazis did or the Zionists are currently.

    Not like that, they are removing children from their parents en mass. So different genocide.

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        If that was the whole truth, they would be kept with at least one parent, provided a method to communicate, or the parents provided a way to retrieve them.

        Is any of that happening?

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          Ukraine claimed 19,000 children were kidnapped.

          Russia asked for the names, so they could be reunited.

          Ukraine could only produce 339 names.

          “We see that there aren’t 20,000-25,000 children; the list contains only 339 [names], and we will work thoroughly on each child,” Maria Lvova-Belova told the Tass news agency.

          Some of them were returned, and some were never in Russia to begin with.

          161 children abducted by Russians found in Germany

          In a major war affecting millions, there is bound to be some confusion and missing people (and orphans).

          Stop believing the propaganda.

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            If there were only 300 children why

            https://www.international.gc.ca/world-monde/issues_development-enjeux_developpement/response_conflict-reponse_conflits/crisis-crises/ukraine-children-enfants.aspx?lang=eng

            So far, approximately 1,300 children have been successfully returned to Ukraine from Russia

            And again, why were there no measures for any of the children to be reunited with their parents from the start?

            StOp bELiEviNg tHe PRopOgANda.

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            https://www.international.gc.ca/world-monde/issues_development-enjeux_developpement/response_conflict-reponse_conflits/crisis-crises/ukraine-fact-fait.aspx?lang=eng

            Search “child”

            Facts versus Russia’s false claims (YYYY-MM-DD) Posted on: 2025-01-15 - Global Affairs Canada

            The facts:

            In its latest report, Yale Humanitarian Research Laboratories defined Russia’s program of coerced adoption as “the deportation of children from Ukraine and their subsequent placement with citizens of Russia and/or in institutions”, going far beyond temporary humanitarian measures. The Yale research shows the extent to which Russia is systematically removing these children from their homes and concealing their identities, including changing their names, to prevent their repatriation.
            The report has identified 314 individual children from Ukraine placed in Russia’s systematic program of coerced adoption. Russia’s system of coerced adoption and fostering has been ordered and facilitated by
            Putin and Presidential Commissioner for Children’s Rights Maria Lvova-Belova. Russia’s war of aggression against Ukraine is the reason why these children are at risk in the first place.

            Russia’s false claim:

            Putin has repeatedly claimed that the transfer of Ukrainian children to Russia was done for humanitarian reasons.

            Posted on: 2024-07-24 - Global Affairs Canada

            The facts:

            In temporarily occupied Ukrainian territories, Russia imposes a pro-Russia educational curriculum that suppresses Ukrainian in favour of Russian as the language of instruction. The imposed curriculum includes justifications of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and vilifications of Ukrainian nationhood. Parents of children who use the Ukrainian educational system remotely are threatened with fines, loss of custody, and detention by occupation authorities. Educators who remain loyal to the Ukrainian state are subject to threats and torture. Russian authorities require secondary schools in occupied Ukrainian territory to report the names of students aged 18 and older, deemed eligible to be drafted into the Russian military.

            Russia’s false claim:

            Putin claims that Russia gives Ukrainians the freedom to choose the future of their children, but the facts show otherwise.

            Posted on: 2024-07-17 - Global Affairs Canada

            The facts:

            Russia coerces residents of the Ukrainian territories it temporarily occupies into getting Russian passports. Credible sources report children aged 13 to 17 being held in detention centers by occupying Russian forces may be transferred to adult prisons when they turn 18 for refusing Russian citizenship. Measures to push Ukrainians to accept Russian citizenship include threatening parental rights, blocking access to social support and restricting access to health care, education and other vital services. Proposed amendments to immigration laws will restrict the entry and ability to remain in Russia for foreigners. These amendments could make it difficult for Ukrainians to enter or remain in the temporarily occupied territories, forcing them to obtain a Russian passport.

            Russia’s false claim:

            Putin claims that Russia gives Ukrainians the freedom to choose their future.

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              You are really rabid about this ‘Russia bad’ thing.

              Russia’s false claim:
              Putin has repeatedly claimed that the transfer of Ukrainian children to Russia was done for humanitarian reasons.

              This is just hilarious. ‘Everything that my genocidal invasion-happy empire says and assumes is true, and what their designated enemies say is false’. Hell, you literally say that, because your empire’s mouthpieces ‘define’ something a certain way, the usage of that definition reflects reality, and you have done zero thinking about the timeline of events (newsflash, the coup of the Ukrainian government by your empire happened before any sort of military action by Russia, meaning that NATO is the aggressor here).

              Also, what adoption is not ‘coerced’? Are you seriously arguing that children should not be adoptable?

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      No thats not what the genocide statute at the UN considers as evidence of genocide.

      The Russian SMO was in response to prevent an ethnic cleansing and further abuse of the ethnic Russian speaking portions in eastern Ukraine. It is not a war to conquer Ukraine or to eliminate its people because Russia and Ukraine are fraternal nations only a few decades ago part of a same larger, greater nation.

      The war was to be concluded in Istanbul in the summer of 2022 (only a few months of heavy fighting) but the negotiations were derailed by the Ukrainian side who then killed their negotiator. The aims of the Russian side has always been demilitarization and no NATO (plus the annexation of the requisite oblasts) and for Ukraine to be a neutral buffer zone, not a pro EU/NATO or pro Russian puppet.

      Now this conflict had dragged on for 3 years and looking to its 4th. Entire generations of Ukrainians have disappeared because the fighting motto of westerners is “to the last Ukrainian” not because evil Russians love kidnappings babies or whatever blood libel you came up with.

      The only just side is the Russian side who is fighting against NATO, not Ukraine.

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          international-community-1 international-community-2

          Super funny because all the international condemnation has done was prolong the war and get more of Ukraine killed and also buy the Ukrainian state resources for pennies while framing it as a “mineral rights” deal (or in other words let the US do exactly this)

          Yes please ignore the international community and you’ll be just as cool and right as me.

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          Not learning anything.

          Apart from the fact that all of your assumptions - like how Russia has supposedly been kidnapping and not returning children - have been wrong.

          It’s very obvious that you are just buying into yet another series of ‘Iraq has WMDs’ lies with no critical thinking involved, and that you think that your colonial genocidal empire is somehow the ‘good guys’ when they try to bring weapons and personnel to other countries borders in order to coerce them into doing your bidding.

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            So how many are actually missing. Did Ukraine provide a complete initial list of only 300 or are there any unaccounted individuals? Are they all reunited? Not knowing this is a problem.

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              Nice goalpost movement. Here’s what you originally said:

              Not like that, they are removing children from their parents en mass. So different genocide.

              You have already learned that Russia has not been doing that, and has been returning children to their families, so your attempts to pretend that you have not been learning anything are not going to work.
              The insinuation that Russia has supposedly been deliberately separating families by kidnapping children is yet to even be substantiated, and, considering that you have been shown to be ignorant of basic facts about the topic, we can conclude that you simply bought into ‘Iraq has WMDs’-style nonsense.

              Also, it’s quite rich to complain about Russia separating families by kidnapping family members when Ukraine has been doing exactly that, on video.

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                  Russia is conscripting parents

                  Are you referring to the standard conscription that doesn’t involve ambushing people in the streets and kidnapping them, with conscripts usually not going to war zones, unless they consent to do so in writing?

                  AND abducting children

                  As we have established, this is just fiction, and you have no basis for these claims.

                  So if we are comparing, they are worse not the same.

                  Ukraine has been trying to join the genocidal colonial empire of NATO to rob the rest of the world. Russia has not been doing this since at least more than a decade ago. That alone makes Russia (and all of the non-NATO lapdog states) better than Ukraine.

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                So where is the full list of children? Did they maintain one?

                https://www.euronews.com/2025/08/08/stolen-children-marketplace-russia-creates-catalogue-of-ukrainian-kids-for-adoption

                Is this the only list? If they are returning some, but not all, or providing a way for families to be reunited, they have still separated families and abducted children.

                And yes, conscripted adults are different from abducted minors.

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                  So where is the full list of children?

                  Firstly, where is the full list of children that NATO has kidnapped (and we know that they have, in various parts of the world)? Weirdly enough, you have never been preoccupied with your empire doing heinous stuff, but you jump at the opportunity to manufacture the 'Iraq has WMDs` consent.
                  Secondly, not sure how that is relevant in the first place. Your claims have already been refuted and you have learned that your assumptions have been wrong.
                  Thirdly, according to Ukraine, the list is about 350 names long.

                  https://www.euronews.com/2025/08/08/stolen-children-marketplace-russia-creates-catalogue-of-ukrainian-kids-for-adoption

                  Haha.
                  This piece of blatantly racist propaganda is rather silly.

                  If they are returning some, but not all, or providing a way for families to be reunited, they have still separated families and abducted children.

                  It’s cute how you are trying to portray not leaving children in war zones as ‘abducting’ them, and also keep pushing the claim that Russia doesn’t provide a way for them to be reunited with family when it has already been sourced that Russia does return these children.

                  And yes, conscripted adults are different from abducted minors.

                  ‘It’s okay to abduct Ukrainians and force them to die for my genocidal colonial empire, so long as they are adults, and it is somehow not okay to evacuate children from war zones or to allow children left without parents to be adopted’.