guix pull . . . . guix upgrade
why does Ubuntu even use ppas
until a pacman update breaks your system because you didn’t read the release notes telling you it needed manual intervention beforehand 🤣
Every time there’s been need for manual intervention the update just fails, I check the news to do the thing, then update as usual
I use informant which in theory fixed this but even then there is an issue on it about some things happening earlier in pacman than the transaction hook it uses so… Bleh. This shit needs to be built into pacman itself, seriously.
That’s happened like once in the last 3 years and the notice was right in pacman before you accepted.
And that’s why I don’t use PPAs, but you do you, I guess…
Yep. I’m on Debian for many years now. Every broken update I can recall was either caused by an undocumented PPA or nvidia drivers (which have finally been fixed, for my card at least)
guix upgradeGod this is the one thing I just hate about Ubuntu. I just avoid ppas now
sudo emerge -avuDN world
sudo emerge -avuDUg world
–changed-use, -U:
- Tells emerge to include installed packages where USE flags have changed since installation. This option also implies the –selective option. Unlike –newuse, the –changed-use option does not trigger reinstallation when flags that the user has not enabled are added or removed.
–getbinpkg [ y | n ], -g:
- Using the server and location defined in PORTAGE_BINHOST (see make.conf(5)), portage will download the information from each binary package found and it will use that information to help build the dependency list. This option implies -k. (Use -gK for binary-only merging.)
Yeah, I used to use -U but I prefer -N personally. I like the system to be consistent with what it would be from a fresh build.
Of course it won’t do anything, you need to update (refresh the index) before you upgrade (download and install updates), silly you
Why -Syyu and not -Syu?
You … you understand pacman cli switches?
Yes. -Syyu is for “Sync (repository action), database update (forced), upgrade packages”, in that order (though the flags don’t have to be). Doubling a lowercase character like yy or uu is to force the operation. yy in particular shouldn’t be needed, as it only overrides the “is your database recent” check. Unless you’re updating more than every 5 minutes, using a single y is perfectly fine.
No, I just hold my y key until there are many many ys.
y?
-Syyyyyyyyyyyyyu
Debian users:
What do you mean by PPA?
Also:
apt-getis intended as low-level APT interface for scripts, just useaptinstead. I get why people are confused nowadays, because APT documentation is terrible.apt-getis intended as low-level APT interface for scriptsAh, that’s what they call it now. I wonder to what they degraded dpkg then?
Isn’t dpkg just the program that installs DEB files, without handling dependency resolution?
Yes, apt and apt-* use it.
I thought apt-get was a transitional command made so that the devs could make a breaking change, but now that that is done, its no longer needed
And yet I’ve never had an apt upgrade break my whole system.
Yeah, maybe I’m just not smart enough but I always have the best luck with Debian/Ubuntu style distros. I’m glad Arch users are happy with Arch, it just doesn’t work for me
Agreed. I ran a system upgrade at home and then went to a coffee shop. My machine didn’t boot at the coffee shop. I installed Fedora instead of doing what I had gone there to do
sudo dpkg --configure -a
my beloved
Define ‘Break’… /j
Unable to boot after the update. That’s happened to me multiple times with pacman, so I eventually switched to Fedora.
Jokes on you, this happened to me on fedora with an nvidia gpu.
@hperrin@lemmy.ca Interesting, how?
On artix I update system and nothing breake my system.This is a recent example of a problem that required manual intervention or the system would not boot after updates. This happens every now and then on arch, it’s why you should check arch news before updating.
For me it was that it said “forcing this upgrade may break your system, do you want to force the upgrade?”
And I was like “yeah, fuck it”, then installed mint after my system didn’t come back up (it was time for my annual re-install anyway)
No idea. I updated it, and then it wouldn’t boot. So, I reinstalled.
You must be very lucky then. I’ve seen it happen so many times.
Shouldn’t
updatecome beforeupgrade?Yup
topgrade --no-retry --cleanup --yesUsing Debian as my main laptop distro, I am usually an arch user but figured with it being a light weight laptop I wouldn’t need arch, its been fine but installing updates can be frustrating, after a few weeks gnomes appstore breaks, then I need to use terminal to apt update, apt --fix-broken install.
Which Debian distribution are you using, stable, testing, unstable?
I take care of a couple machines for family members. Those have Debian stable with automatic update (unattended-upgrade). I can’t recall the system or packages ever breaking. At most users are a bit confused when an update change the UI a bit.
Sticking to stable and avoiding third party repos gives a pretty solid system. Only developers or sysadmins might consider Debian testing. Only people working on Debian itself should use unstable.
Don’t use gnome appstore. It’s always broken
Don’t use gnome.
Don’t use.
Fuck gnomes
This meme brought to you by outdated packages in the official repo
Mfw I get to go through the same yt-dlp steps after a fresh install
