missing chromosomes doesn’t turn you evil
I think it’s their physical appearance that is being referred to. Patel looks perpetually surprised and slightly off while Kirk looked like the witch doctor fucked up while shrinking his head.
That’s ableism. These people don’t look the way they do and don’t act they way they do because of any genetic disorder. They also aren’t going to fucking see this so the only people being insulted by this are people who are disabled, great job.
We’re talking about actual fascists here and you guys are insulting with eugenics and appearance ffs.
Thank you for saying this. We have more than enough reason to shit on these assholes for their actions and rhetoric; there’s absolutely no reason to use ableist language.
In a similar vein, I’ve seen a lot of “weaponized” homophobic language on Lemmy (often in regards to Putin and Trump). Like you say, the only people who get hurt by this are the random queer people who read these comments.
👏👏👏 I am so sick and tired of people claiming “the gloves are coming off” and by “gloves” they mean their slurfilter
Yeah this is very apparent all over social media. It’s the consequence of liberals who think disagreeing with the overt fascism seen in MAGA allows moral purity in their actions. They don’t actually interrogate internalized values they hold from capitalism and settler-colonialism that devalues groups of people, they just know which groups are more or less “wrong” to target. They feel emboldened by a visible and decisive enemy, which makes them less self-conscious about the bigotry they foster uncritically.
“Hrm. Why did only the face shrink? Was the cauldron too hot?”
This is the funniest thing I have read in a long while 😂🤣🤣
You’re using one flavor of bigotry to disparage another flavor of bigots?
Too many people like this unfortunately. I respect the ones who learn when pointed out and stop. The ones who double down are the worst.
On one hand, yeah, not cool.
On the other, it’s the kind of shot that just might land in the fanbase of these wankstains. It attacks and smears them in terms their supporters understand. Just pointing out the hypocrisy doesn’t work if the audience doesn’t care for reasonable argument, but by speaking their language, there’s some chance it will get under their skin.
It’s a disgusting move in a disgusting fight. There are no winners here, and the best I can hope for is that it’ll hit the right people harder than the collateral damage hits the wrong ones.
Dude, Nazis aren’t going to be convinced to stop being a Nazi just because you also start acting like a Nazi. That’s actually one of their objectives.
Like I said, not cool, disgusting move, no winners here, just a faint hope that it’ll undermine their influential figures and weaponise their own hatred.
Idk, I was trying to find some positive spin on it, but honestly, yeah, I’m getting less and less convinced by my own reasoning there.
Nick Fuentes was caught watching gay porn after a stream and one of this followers just killed Charlie Kirk. These people do not care if their leaders do something they condemn because part of the point of this ideology is to have power over reality through the ability to lie and cheat with impunity. They don’t care, and reproducing their values uncritically in no way benefits us.
You’re right.
Why is insulting and getting under their skin so important? Is trolling them gonna change their mind? Are minorities literally less important than trying to make fascists feel insulted?
It’s not, it’s not and they’re not.
On a strategic level, there may be some merit to the hope of splitting them and turning them against each other. Their ideology builds on appearance of strength and masculinity, and any political movement hinges on unity. Getting under their skin about their prominent figures might weaken their support.
There is also a slim chance that pointing out the nonsense might break someone out of their cognitive dissonance (like it did with me), but I’ll concede it’s very slim indeed.
Even with all this, the question “how much collateral damage is it worth?” is a tough one. I would hope that them wasting their time and energy on each other might spare others some of their wrath, but it’s impossible to measure and hard to gauge the net effect on hurt dealt to the undeserving.
So no, just the insult wouldn’t be worth it. The potential strategic effects turn it into a weapon, but just like with physical weapons, it would be better if it never saw use. The ends may offset some of the hurt, but we shouldn’t think of it in terms of justification so much as mitigation.
And the last line is just superfluous, hurtful without any redeeming quality at all. Fuck that shit.
Oh i was talking about the last line only. Which is also the title of the post
Ableism. What a funny joke dude. Could you explain what specifically they’re referring to about missing chromosomes that would make someone a fascist?
The ones useful for empathy and intelligence.
Eugenics, nice. Total own dude you really got me.
name one person with missing chromosome
Anyone with Turner syndrome (fully or partially missing X chromosome)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_syndrome
The joke is very obviously referencing Down Syndrome, with the joke you mentioned in another comment being some sort of subversion of expectations by having the gene duplication mistaken, except there are diseases with gene absence as the root cause.
Punching down at disabled people is some chud shit.
Isn’t the bigoted insult supposed to be extra chromosomes?
Too few or too many usually has the same general effects–ain’t good for viability, and if you get past that often an Intellectual Disability. Though I will say that some of the coolest people I know have an Intellectual Disability.
this is why this is funny… but most people here want a rightful white knight fight, instead of reading
Or it’s way too close to ableism, which is something we should not use, no matter the opponent.
It’s not too close, this is ableism.
True, that was actually poor wording on my part.
No I’m not trying to say that you’re wrong, I’m just asserting that there isn’t doubt as to whether this is ableism. I don’t want that to discourage you from pointing out bigotry when you see it.
I understood that, and I will continue to point it out, don’t worry about it. But your precision was necessary.
Serious question, we can call people idiots, but retard was very no-no a couple of years ago on mainstream media. Both are old medical terms for the intellectually challenged, I’m not a native speaker and I just would like to know if either is “okay” to use for when someone is “stupid”, like here where they at least act stupid.
What you’re referring to is the historical use of a term compared to its contemporary or colloquial meanings. “Idiot,” was indeed used in the past to refer to people with disabilities or mental illnesses, that is very much not the dominant understanding of its meaning today. “Idiot,” today has the meaning of poor intelligence or foolishness, but is not associated with conditions that people imagine result in those poor qualities.
Something like the “r” word is very much associated with mental, genetic, and learning disabilities that are, by its very use, argued to be the cause of the victim’s perceived poor intelligence. They’re calling the person that word regardless of whether they think they have any disorders because they associate those disorders with poor intelligence and also poor social value. It being an insult is dependent on the devaluing of disabled people.
“Idiot,” or “stupid,” do not carry those connotations in culture, they’re only insults referring to the intelligence of the individual(s) they are directed at.
With all that being said, it’s often seen as low-class or immature to resort to these insults at all. You should never use the “r” word as it is a slur directed at an extremely vulnerable group of people and its use reinforces their devalued status.
Thanks for the thorough explanation!
That’s what I thought roughly.
Why are you self censoring words like that?
Anyways thanks again!
I don’t use slurs that aren’t directed at groups I’m a part of. We do that to denote respect for groups that are harmed by those slurs.
“White knight” is such a tell. What’s next? Redpilled?
The guy looks perpetually scared that MAGA is going to notice he isn’t white.
Can’t ever unsee this.
Neither can they, apparently.
Whats with the ableism though??? Completely unecessary and out of left field
So you’re cool with the racism and antisemitism, but ableism is where you draw the line?
The person posting the comment may be an actual Nazi who is mad about the intermingling of races and religions 🤷♂️
Huh?
Which part? Because he is a garden gnome and traditionally the ruling class has been fairly inbred over the centuries. Clearly the inbreeding and gnomes in the FBI prove the opposite.
I think it’s pretty progressive of them to hire inbred garden gnomes.
The part where the OP equated having a missing chromosome with being mentally deficient.
And for the record, the only full monosomy in living people is Turner Syndrome, and it doesn’t generally affect intelligence.
Its clearly a stab at people with trisomy. Being too stupid to know the actual reason is no excuse.
Autosomal monosomy is generally lethal.
I don’t get the missing chromosome part to be honest. If it were an additional chromosome, I’d understand and would have thought it ableist too. Can anyone clarify this for me?
I think its some idiot getting confused about trisomy
So can I ask: is it acceptable to edit this screenshot to not include the ableist part (just crop out the whole Avengers part honestly, it’s not funny anyway) and take out the handles of the posters, and repost? Or is that poor form?
Memes are a form of cultural transmission. They’re like a type of public art, meant to be freely shared, edited, and otherwise played around with by whoever. It’s how memes morph and evolve over time.
All this to say, you can probably go ahead and make the meme yours if you wish.
Maybe post it wherever you’re going to post it with the first line as the title? Wouldn’t want anyone to seek out the original tweet and bring traffic to this guy’s ableism, best to pretend it doesn’t exist.
Edit: or do that thing that meme reposters do and just put the text over a white background with the original tweet (see below for an example)
Example
(pretend the crayon is a tweet)
:::huh. are we going fast and sloppy or are we being artisans? because i would agree that it’s acceptable to remove the ableism, but we’d want to keep the date, right? do we black box it or do we cut out the middle?
The appeal to the manosphere is real.
There’s a book I’ve been meaning to read: Uncivil Agreement by Lilliana Mason.
I’ve heard it’s about how most people should be voting in alignment with their policy beliefs, but when you look at it … more people vote along with how they choose to be identified with even if it hurts them.
Well, shit. Thats just America… and the UK(among others) in a nutshell.
The US is trying to out-US itself all the time now.
Maybe it’s my own crass unsophisticated Appalachian roots but I was kind of taught that when the bully is so willing to use ableist attacks to attack vulnerable minorities to advance their own agenda, then they open the door to those same attacks against themselves since they’re the ones who actually believe them to be valid in the first place.
After all, any decent knows that it’s not the insult you’re using but rather whom the target is that matters most. And more to that, that you viewed it as an insult itself is kind of a problem in of itself — as though the word carries weight — is it not? Ultimately, no, nothing wrong with missing chromosomes. But they think that; which is why they being the subject of the attack hurts so much. We know psychopaths have thin skin and egos ready to burst.
We also are supposed to flatly say violence is wrong; but then every single one of you here with speak of tolerance of intolerance say violence is okay depending on context, so that too is another double-standard.
Like a black person using the N-word in, “what up my…” doesn’t mean they’re racist or demeaning like a slave plantation owner using it. Slinging insults to a fascist isn’t the same as demeaning an actual kind person. Change my view.
1.) Your sole focus is on how hurtful the insult is to the target, fully ignoring the effect on the people being used as an insult. That’s thoughtless at best.
2.) You don’t get to DARVO people calling out the insult for “viewing it as an insult”. It’s blatantly obvious what your intent was. Stop trying to victim-blame.
3.) If there’s really “nothing wrong with [insert characteristic used as an insult]”, then why are you using it as an insult? And the target finding it insulting isn’t a valid reason (see point 1).
4.)
Like a black person using the N-word in, “what up my…” doesn’t mean they’re racist or demeaning like a slave plantation owner using it. Slinging insults to a fascist isn’t the same as demeaning an actual kind person. Change my view.
Retaking a slur for your community isn’t remotely the same as an outsider trying to justify using it as an insult, “but in a good way”. There is no excuse for using a person’s identity as an insult. Full stop.
DARVO is a serious tactic used by serious abusers to ruin the lives of their victims. I don’t think this shitshow of a thread nor the efficacy of top-level’s shitheaddery are serious enough to warrant such a serious word. I think when the word DARVO is used, everyone should sit down and think very carefully about the evidence being presented. It shouldn’t be used as a small part of a larger rant. It should be one of those words that stops a conversation in its tracks, like a safeword.
Ever hear of the adage paraphrased in many forms, “Words only have power if you let them”?
The intent is to let these words have power against the psychopaths. After all, they’re the ones who believe they’re insults. That’s dishing back what they dish out.
By contrast, the intent is to equip those vulnerable groups targeted by said attacks with the awareness to nullify their power against them; or if anything, to take pride. For example, I’m short; I’ve been called short and variations thereof. Idgaf. I guess you’d call that retaking the slur back?). But you know who I bet really hates being called short? Putin. In a way, every vulnerable group should take back the slur. I proudly wear bleeding heart hippie tree hugger woke sjw white knight with a badge of honor, after all.
Therein lies the difference. I’ll be the first to call out assholes who use such slurs in effort to attack truly vulnerable people, however.
I’ll be the first to call out assholes who use such slurs in effort to attack truly vulnerable people, however.
Evidently not. Your response to being told that the insults are still hurtful to the disparaged group is, “If it upsets you, that’s your fault.” And your anecdotal “evidence” of how you feel about being insulted in one way is not applicable to every insult ever. You’re behaving no different than the people you claim to oppose, just using the presumed righteousness of hurting them to justify hurting others.
Please indicate in this thread where either I or you directly used such discussed words as a slur against the very people the slur was wrought from — as in being the target or object of the sentence.
One chance.
Let’s say you call someone a mouth-breather as an insult. My nose being fucked up is already not my fault, but as an extra fun cherry-on-top, it got that way from serial childhood abuse. I do not appreciate you using that attribute as an insult. I like it when moderators remove such posts.
Saying stuff like “words only have power of you let them” is false and blames the victim. When you insult a group of people, you are signaling to the entire social group that they are lesser. It does not matter if the victim (intentional or otherwise) considers themselves lesser because the larger social group determines how they will be treated. “It is okay to insult this person,” is what you’re saying.
To go back to your N-word analogy, do you think it’s okay for me to call black conservatives the N-word because I know it will upset them? After all, I don’t hate black people, but they certainly seem to. Or do you think that speaking that way promotes the use of a slur as an insult?
To Blame has a very specific dictionary definition. Blaming the victim… For what?
To Blame (Verb): assign responsibility for a fault or wrong.
How am I “blaming” you If I were to use mouth-breather against a red hat loser or nazi — how is that blaming someone else for literally having a physiological issue that pertains to mouth-breathing? Did I ever state that it was your fault for having to breathe through the mouth? If I did, then that would be victim-blaming. Moreover, does that mean we cannot speak on any uncomfortable topic that may exert an undue trigger for any bystander reading? E.g., Maybe I raise the topic of cancer to talk about, but then someone says, “Hey, you’re victim-blaming me because you brought up cancer and that makes me uncomfortable because my mom just died from that and I don’t want to see those words online!”? Does that mean we can never discuss any topic or use any word that may be an emotional trigger for someone in an edge-case circumstance?
To your question on the N-word, no, probably not. I thought about this a bit and I perceive certain words that at least in modern terms have etymological origins or modern use to be strictly FOR slurs. That is, I don’t use the homophobic f-word slur, or N-Word in any context because I think they ARE inherently loaded terms. But being short? Breathing through the mouth? Missing a chromosome? I defend these vulnerable group every single day against asshole bigots of the right. The slur only works against bigots because they perceive it as a slur in the first place. I don’t. You don’t. That’s what matters.
Now instead of the f-word, what I might say to a machismo red-hatted straight guy to poke at their own macho-man complex, “Wow, buddy, that sounds pretty gay!”
Notice that I don’t believe the underlying term in this case is a slur because that’s a perfectly normal state of being, but I know they do, and that it would strike at their ego.
That said, I am very sorry for you experienced that. Anyone who mocks you directly for that is 100% a piece of shit.
Edit: Additional question: is it then wrong to say that either Biden or Trump is old and senile? Suffering from dementia because other people may have dementia or because they know someone who has dementia?
Anyone who mocks you directly for that is 100% a piece of shit.
Anyone who uses their disability to mock anyone is a piece of shit.
There, I fixed it for you.
Your inability value the damage done outside of a “targeted” insult is exactly what I’m talking about. You can victim blame as much as you want, and add as many qualifiers about what “really” counts as harmful from your singular viewpoint. It all just shows how little you care about those you claim you would defend.
So you couldn’t find an example. Okay. Then provided the vast deflection of my myriad points, I will simply reiterate that which was deflected, “Words only have power if you let them."
By your logic, even when “taking back” a slur from a community, are they not trampling and speaking over those others who are less comfortable with its meaning — aka, “victim-blaming” as you say…? Let’s find some consistency here at the very least, shall we?
Demanding evidence that you have or haven’t broken your own standards doesn’t refute my point that those standards are insufficient, which I have been quite consistent on.
I will simply reiterate that which was deflected, “Words only have power if you let them."
It wasn’t “deflected”. It was outright rejected and called out for the victim blaming that it is.
Did you just call short and variations a slur?
No? I was obviously referring to other derogatory terms like midget, napoleon complex, etc.
For example, I’m short; I’ve been called short and variations thereof.
Were you? Were you obviously referring to other derogatory terms? Also, midget and napoleon complex are not even remotely in the same category.
Sorry, are you victim-blaming here?
Sure sounds like that’s not for you to decide; that is of course, if you’re taking the opposing position to mine in this thread.
Interesting for you to decide, oh great arbiter. How convenient.
Let’s pause for a moment. I wanna make sure you’re saying what I think you’re saying because I refuse to believe someone can be this stupid. Are you saying that being short and having the medical condition known as dwarfism is the same thing?
I keep getting confused why Captain Kirk is so popular at the moment.
I think it’s because of Charlie trekking across the universe.
Charlie Kirk was plane shifted, but he left his body with a leak.
They don’t make those distinctions anymore. It’s all about being rich and fuckin’ the poor.
He’s only the director of the FBI, he doesn’t need to be the brightest crayon in the box. Oh wait…
We have the watch? Is that supposed to be a Game of Thrones reference?
