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    Honestly, dishonorable discharge technically allows for a death sentence. If Trump orders a general to shoot American civilians and he refuses, that’s treason, so can be death sentence’d. I’d want to avoid the situation too.

    Now if that ACTUALLY happened, at least which ever general with balls gets unalived is going to be a martyr and hopefully a symbol for the resistance. So it takes one guy to take that bullet and the country may never be the same. So I hope someone will do that instead of quitting.

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        The law doesn’t matter anymore. It’s been established by the supreme court that a sitting republican president can break any law.

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          If it doesn’t matter anymore then ignore the fascists and tell them no.

          You really like this “comply in advanced out of fear” rhetoric don’t you?

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            It’s not complying if you resign. Difference is whether you’re replaced after refusing to kill people or before - but you’ll be replaced and the next guy will kill people regardless. If you quit before as a high profile individual, you can signal that something is off. If you don’t quit, you may get martyr’d. Which I think most people don’t want, especially anyone with family.

            Worse, an insider reports that the generals were all monitored for signs of discomfort and disapproval during the speech. They’re being watched. Anyone not loyal to Trump first and foremost, is going out. Anyone who actually disobeys orders may or may not find their family deported to South America, Africa, whereever, as terrorists. I suspect some of these generals are currently more afraid for their families than you are.

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              GTFO with your shameful defeatist rhetoric.

              Anyone who actually disobeys orders may or may not find their family deported to South America, Africa, whereever

              Not. Trump literally has no such power to do anything like this to Americans.

              I suspect some of these generals are currently more afraid for their families than you are.

              I suspect you are way more afraid of Loserapist Trump than normal Americans who know their rights and can think clearly are. Trump wants you do be afraid. His power depends primarily on you being a spineless coward instead of a proud American who inherited the oldest democracy in the world. You are playing right into his hands.

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                Normal Americans are already being deported. Look at the list of things that make you a terrorist now. Good luck, I’m watching with pop corn because people like you aren’t willing to admit the rule of law is dead.

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                Like I said, these people have families. That specific general said he’s retiring “because of family matters”.

                The fuck kinda father is going to put his own children and (if he has them) grandchildren into danger?

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                  The kind of patriots that founded our country. They had families too, and they took dangerous stands so their families wouldn’t have to live under tyranny.

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                    Were most of them not regular people? I’m talking about generals, people currently being surveilled for any disloyalty.

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        Nobody fucking knows the law anymore -_-

        Problem is, neither do the judges it seems. I wouldn’t be surprised if something almost as bad as this happens, and the courts side with Trump and friends.

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          The courts are not siding with Trump most of the time.

          The rulings don’t stop him.

          We shouldn’t let them stop us either.

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            Isn’t it the judges who would then issue orders of contempt, or whatever it’s called, calling for the arrest of people who don’t follow their rulings?

            ~Not rhetorical.~

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              Apparently arrests only happen to the non rich and non powerful.

              Trump has done things that would land you or me in prison for the rest of our lives.

              I think judges are too cowardly to arrest the president

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        I forgot “vapid influencerati” even use that term, I first heard it on reddit years ago when someone thought it was funny. I swear there was more funny/interesting context to the post that I don’t remember anymore. It was before mass censorship of “bad words” was so prolific. People were still using “kill”, “fuck”, “shit” etc.

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      You only need to follow lawful orders. Ordering the murder of civilians is not lawful. Because the act of murdering civilians is illegal.

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            I mean, look around? Not saying people are not at risk of the law, but the rule of law is dead in the us.

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              And yet judges keep ruling and the administration backs down. The concentration camp in Florida, closed. I’m not saying they aren’t flouting it left and right, but it is still there and people are recording what they are doing for when they get thrown out.

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                The concentration camp in Florida, closed.

                Uhhh yeah you might want to re-check the most up to date news on that one.

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                You still have ice out masked in force, still have camps, still have tarriffed the world, still have open bribery, and still have chilling lawsuits against media. All of which was ruled not cool by judges at some point, and either just done anyway or overruled at the supreme court.

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      The general would face a court martial or whatever that process is that could lead to a death sentence, and if that process results in a death sentence for refusing to shoot American citizens then absolutely nothing matters.