On no fewer than three separate occasions I’ve been accused of propagating “Russian talking points” when I make verifiable, factual statements about the war in Ukraine. Three different people, three different occasions, but they all repeat the same shit.

Where does this come from? Is this Rachel Maddow lib slop, or something more widespread? I have never once heard this phrase used in any media that I consume, only as a thought-and-conversation terminating “rebuttal” and a way to avoid engaging with the actual substance of what I am saying about the war.

The irony of course is that “Russian talking points” is itself a talking point so it is, as usual, just projection projection

It’s like some sort of propagandist got a list of all the inconvenient facts about Ukraine (nazis, lack of democracy, corruption, etc etc) and then just slapped a ‘RUSSIAN TALKING POINTS’ sticker onto them and delivered the package to libs all over the world.

But, seriously, WHERE DOES THIS ORIGINATE?

  • hello_hello [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    26 days ago

    Its the same reason why “Full scale invasion” became a media cliche. The propaganda apparatus in the imperial core has made Russia into an ontological evil and Putin the devil.

    I got slapped in the face with this at my local ydsa. Americans are genuinely incredibly racist towards Russian nationals and it precludes any material analysis.

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      26 days ago

      Americans are genuinely incredibly racist towards Russian nationals and it precludes any material analysis.

      this has been my observation too, it’s always been just under the surface it just became more prominent after 2014-6

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      26 days ago

      Full scale invasion is such a funny one. What makes it full scale? What would a partial scale invasion look like? I won’t necessarily say there is no valid answer to that, but I would bet a million dollars they couldn’t say or would give the most asinine response, because I can’t recall ever seeing a pundit even purport to explain the term.

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        26 days ago

        Usually the “partial invasion” is the annexation of Crimea and supplying weapons to fighters in the Donbass, combining the two as the greater “Russo-Ukrainian War” and implying that Russia was always planning on doing this.