On no fewer than three separate occasions I’ve been accused of propagating “Russian talking points” when I make verifiable, factual statements about the war in Ukraine. Three different people, three different occasions, but they all repeat the same shit.

Where does this come from? Is this Rachel Maddow lib slop, or something more widespread? I have never once heard this phrase used in any media that I consume, only as a thought-and-conversation terminating “rebuttal” and a way to avoid engaging with the actual substance of what I am saying about the war.

The irony of course is that “Russian talking points” is itself a talking point so it is, as usual, just projection projection

It’s like some sort of propagandist got a list of all the inconvenient facts about Ukraine (nazis, lack of democracy, corruption, etc etc) and then just slapped a ‘RUSSIAN TALKING POINTS’ sticker onto them and delivered the package to libs all over the world.

But, seriously, WHERE DOES THIS ORIGINATE?

  • dead [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    During the cold war, 1950 and onwards, the pejorative “useful idiot” was used to describe Americans who had sympathies for the USSR. The idea being that a person who had sympathy for communism was both foolish and benefiting to the US’s enemy. This is very similar to the concept “russian talking point”, being things that you say could be beneficial to Russia.

    During the Korean War, 1950-1953, the CIA invented the term “brainwash” to described US POWs who had developed sympathies to China while being captured, some even defected to China. Basically CIA refused to believe that China was more likeable than the US, to the extent that the US believe China had thought manipulation technology.