Stop arguing with communists. Turn around. Go confront this chauvinist piece of shit that you supposedly know personally.
You personally vouched for him, he’s making you look like a fucking idiot. Are you going to do anything about it or just take out your anger with more left punching?
Again you are just completely mischaracterizing what I’ve said. Stop arguing with communists? YOU replied to me. I’m not punching left at all. I’m not even disagreeing with you about criticisms about Zohran, his campaign, or electoralism as a way to changing the system. You’ve already made your mind up that I disagree with you, there’s literally nothing I can do about that.
But you’ve mischaracterized what I said repeatedly, you obviously did not read what I replied to you on the other thread that has you so upset originally, and now you have forced that engagement to continue here. It is impossible to discuss these things with you when you clearly weren’t willing to engage with me civilly, even after I’ve politely asked you to leave me alone, block me, or disengage with me on a separate post. I’ve never had this problem with literally anybody else. You not having the same outlook, methods, or predictions I do does not mean I’m acting in bad faith, lying, or being chauvinist.
Stop haranguing me, leave me alone. Block me or disengage with me.
The right answer was: Yeah I guess you were right about Democratic Party entryism and its risks. I was wrong to vouch for Mamdani. I will try to get ahold of him to let him know what a serious breach this is.
You have a lot more patience than I do, a week ban for this sort of toxic debatebro behaviour is a lot more lenient than what I would done. I suppose that’s why I’m not a mod, I would escalate things way too quickly. Hopefully they chill out a little bit, they do have some interesting ideas sometimes, when they’re not just being super combative for no reason.
I didn’t ban them, and I’d never do that about something I’m personally involved with. Everybody has to go through the proper channels and follow the same rules.
I don’t mind a disagreement with anybody, but we had ours already, discussed it thoroughly, didn’t see eye to eye, and I requested disengagement and gave the person multiple opportunities both on that post and this one to leave me alone. It’s time to move on after that. We can’t endlessly be personally begrudging other users over our disagreements.
My understanding was the disengage rule didn’t apply if you were using it in a way that would give you the last word in an argument. Your exact phrasing was “you can simply disengage.” If you keep “offering” rather than asking for disengagement, you won’t get it.
Well the actual exact phrasing of the last thing I said was
”Stop haranguing me, leave me alone. Block me or disengage with me.”
on a comment where I made no argument for or against any point other than pointing out their incessant arguing with me was a waste of time and why I had already asked for it to stop several times. To this, they replied condescendingly and continued being a debatebro about the argument I told them to stop directing at me, making this now the second post I’ve asked for them to disengage with me about this argument on.
The user then went on to bring the topic of having had this argument with me on a third post. Then they were giving a temporary ban, and it wasn’t even from me.
Honestly I don’t know how it could have been more clear than that
So I was wrong about the rule? Maybe we need a general clarifying post because I’ve never seen anyone offer disengagement as an option and someone else get banned as a result. posts that say “disengage” without commentary is usually how I’ve seen it.
If the so-called options being provided are verbatim “Block me or disengage with me.” I frankly don’t think we need clarification on whether or not you are being asked to disengage.
Oh right, I forgot mods don’t ban people for issues they’re directly a part of, that’s pretty obvious that you wouldn’t do that.
Yeah, I was acting in response not to their disagreement with you (that’s normal and fine) but their debatebro “refusing to even consider your argument and just demanding you bend the knee” kind of smugness. I really don’t want to see that sort of attitude develop around here, it would turn this place into just another smug lemmy.world, but with a vague “leftist” coat of paint.
Stop arguing with communists. Turn around. Go confront this chauvinist piece of shit that you supposedly know personally.
You personally vouched for him, he’s making you look like a fucking idiot. Are you going to do anything about it or just take out your anger with more left punching?
Again you are just completely mischaracterizing what I’ve said. Stop arguing with communists? YOU replied to me. I’m not punching left at all. I’m not even disagreeing with you about criticisms about Zohran, his campaign, or electoralism as a way to changing the system. You’ve already made your mind up that I disagree with you, there’s literally nothing I can do about that.
But you’ve mischaracterized what I said repeatedly, you obviously did not read what I replied to you on the other thread that has you so upset originally, and now you have forced that engagement to continue here. It is impossible to discuss these things with you when you clearly weren’t willing to engage with me civilly, even after I’ve politely asked you to leave me alone, block me, or disengage with me on a separate post. I’ve never had this problem with literally anybody else. You not having the same outlook, methods, or predictions I do does not mean I’m acting in bad faith, lying, or being chauvinist.
Stop haranguing me, leave me alone. Block me or disengage with me.
Brrrntt. Wrong answer.
The right answer was: Yeah I guess you were right about Democratic Party entryism and its risks. I was wrong to vouch for Mamdani. I will try to get ahold of him to let him know what a serious breach this is.
Banned4Truth
You have a lot more patience than I do, a week ban for this sort of toxic debatebro behaviour is a lot more lenient than what I would done. I suppose that’s why I’m not a mod, I would escalate things way too quickly. Hopefully they chill out a little bit, they do have some interesting ideas sometimes, when they’re not just being super combative for no reason.
Instead of a bad faith accusation of debatebro behavior you could just say you’re fine with liberalism
Tone policing anti imperialists, a favorite pastime on this site apparently
I didn’t ban them, and I’d never do that about something I’m personally involved with. Everybody has to go through the proper channels and follow the same rules.
I don’t mind a disagreement with anybody, but we had ours already, discussed it thoroughly, didn’t see eye to eye, and I requested disengagement and gave the person multiple opportunities both on that post and this one to leave me alone. It’s time to move on after that. We can’t endlessly be personally begrudging other users over our disagreements.
My understanding was the disengage rule didn’t apply if you were using it in a way that would give you the last word in an argument. Your exact phrasing was “you can simply disengage.” If you keep “offering” rather than asking for disengagement, you won’t get it.
Well the actual exact phrasing of the last thing I said was
on a comment where I made no argument for or against any point other than pointing out their incessant arguing with me was a waste of time and why I had already asked for it to stop several times. To this, they replied condescendingly and continued being a debatebro about the argument I told them to stop directing at me, making this now the second post I’ve asked for them to disengage with me about this argument on.
The user then went on to bring the topic of having had this argument with me on a third post. Then they were giving a temporary ban, and it wasn’t even from me.
Honestly I don’t know how it could have been more clear than that
So I was wrong about the rule? Maybe we need a general clarifying post because I’ve never seen anyone offer disengagement as an option and someone else get banned as a result. posts that say “disengage” without commentary is usually how I’ve seen it.
If the so-called options being provided are verbatim “Block me or disengage with me.” I frankly don’t think we need clarification on whether or not you are being asked to disengage.
Good to know, because I’ve seen mods take harder lines on the disengage rule than this. Glad to have a standard to point to going forward
Oh right, I forgot mods don’t ban people for issues they’re directly a part of, that’s pretty obvious that you wouldn’t do that.
Yeah, I was acting in response not to their disagreement with you (that’s normal and fine) but their debatebro “refusing to even consider your argument and just demanding you bend the knee” kind of smugness. I really don’t want to see that sort of attitude develop around here, it would turn this place into just another smug lemmy.world, but with a vague “leftist” coat of paint.