I didn’t ban them, and I’d never do that about something I’m personally involved with. Everybody has to go through the proper channels and follow the same rules.
I don’t mind a disagreement with anybody, but we had ours already, discussed it thoroughly, didn’t see eye to eye, and I requested disengagement and gave the person multiple opportunities both on that post and this one to leave me alone. It’s time to move on after that. We can’t endlessly be personally begrudging other users over our disagreements.
My understanding was the disengage rule didn’t apply if you were using it in a way that would give you the last word in an argument. Your exact phrasing was “you can simply disengage.” If you keep “offering” rather than asking for disengagement, you won’t get it.
Well the actual exact phrasing of the last thing I said was
”Stop haranguing me, leave me alone. Block me or disengage with me.”
on a comment where I made no argument for or against any point other than pointing out their incessant arguing with me was a waste of time and why I had already asked for it to stop several times. To this, they replied condescendingly and continued being a debatebro about the argument I told them to stop directing at me, making this now the second post I’ve asked for them to disengage with me about this argument on.
The user then went on to bring the topic of having had this argument with me on a third post. Then they were giving a temporary ban, and it wasn’t even from me.
Honestly I don’t know how it could have been more clear than that
So I was wrong about the rule? Maybe we need a general clarifying post because I’ve never seen anyone offer disengagement as an option and someone else get banned as a result. posts that say “disengage” without commentary is usually how I’ve seen it.
If the so-called options being provided are verbatim “Block me or disengage with me.” I frankly don’t think we need clarification on whether or not you are being asked to disengage.
This isn’t a standard for moderation, nor was it moderated out of line. It’s a human interaction, and each of them are unique situations, dealt with by mods who aren’t a hive mind.
The point is that it should be clear when somebody is telling you to disengage and leave them alone. If you have to even think about whether or not they are requesting that you disengage with them, completely outside of my capacity as a moderator, I’d recommend you simply stop engaging at that point. At the very least you are wasting your own time. Likewise, if you think you’ve asked earnestly and didn’t receive a disengagement, you can ask the mods by reporting the questionable content post-disengagement request and giving the additional info.
Oh right, I forgot mods don’t ban people for issues they’re directly a part of, that’s pretty obvious that you wouldn’t do that.
Yeah, I was acting in response not to their disagreement with you (that’s normal and fine) but their debatebro “refusing to even consider your argument and just demanding you bend the knee” kind of smugness. I really don’t want to see that sort of attitude develop around here, it would turn this place into just another smug lemmy.world, but with a vague “leftist” coat of paint.
I didn’t ban them, and I’d never do that about something I’m personally involved with. Everybody has to go through the proper channels and follow the same rules.
I don’t mind a disagreement with anybody, but we had ours already, discussed it thoroughly, didn’t see eye to eye, and I requested disengagement and gave the person multiple opportunities both on that post and this one to leave me alone. It’s time to move on after that. We can’t endlessly be personally begrudging other users over our disagreements.
My understanding was the disengage rule didn’t apply if you were using it in a way that would give you the last word in an argument. Your exact phrasing was “you can simply disengage.” If you keep “offering” rather than asking for disengagement, you won’t get it.
Well the actual exact phrasing of the last thing I said was
on a comment where I made no argument for or against any point other than pointing out their incessant arguing with me was a waste of time and why I had already asked for it to stop several times. To this, they replied condescendingly and continued being a debatebro about the argument I told them to stop directing at me, making this now the second post I’ve asked for them to disengage with me about this argument on.
The user then went on to bring the topic of having had this argument with me on a third post. Then they were giving a temporary ban, and it wasn’t even from me.
Honestly I don’t know how it could have been more clear than that
So I was wrong about the rule? Maybe we need a general clarifying post because I’ve never seen anyone offer disengagement as an option and someone else get banned as a result. posts that say “disengage” without commentary is usually how I’ve seen it.
If the so-called options being provided are verbatim “Block me or disengage with me.” I frankly don’t think we need clarification on whether or not you are being asked to disengage.
Good to know, because I’ve seen mods take harder lines on the disengage rule than this. Glad to have a standard to point to going forward
This isn’t a standard for moderation, nor was it moderated out of line. It’s a human interaction, and each of them are unique situations, dealt with by mods who aren’t a hive mind.
The point is that it should be clear when somebody is telling you to disengage and leave them alone. If you have to even think about whether or not they are requesting that you disengage with them, completely outside of my capacity as a moderator, I’d recommend you simply stop engaging at that point. At the very least you are wasting your own time. Likewise, if you think you’ve asked earnestly and didn’t receive a disengagement, you can ask the mods by reporting the questionable content post-disengagement request and giving the additional info.
Oh right, I forgot mods don’t ban people for issues they’re directly a part of, that’s pretty obvious that you wouldn’t do that.
Yeah, I was acting in response not to their disagreement with you (that’s normal and fine) but their debatebro “refusing to even consider your argument and just demanding you bend the knee” kind of smugness. I really don’t want to see that sort of attitude develop around here, it would turn this place into just another smug lemmy.world, but with a vague “leftist” coat of paint.