Trump was the first one to try to repeal the 14th amendment, the one Lincoln was famous for signing off on, so that Trump can try to take away the rights of, imprison, and remove anybody he wants at any time without a real warrant.
Ever heard of Barack Obama? 2009 winner. During his terms to 2017, ordered 1,878 drone strikes. Unknown number of innocent people killed. 2017 was 8 years ago.
Unironically the best POTUS of the last half century, saved millions from death and suffering by expanding Medicaid and funding deradicalization programs.
Still not worse than the Trump immigration camps, no.
The USA incarcerated about 120,000 Japanese, which is not only smaller in scale but afaik was a completely public operation rather than a scheme to enrich private prison companies.
Lemmy has a large subset of users who think it’s appropriate to be rude assholes all the time. It’s probably people who are scared little bitches irl and they take it out on the internet where people can’t punch them in the fucking mouth for being a jackass.
This is like blaming the Chinese or Russians for their awful governments. I truly don’t understand how people get so self righteous to the point of completely ignoring what real life is.
They’re not interested in solving the actual problem, you notice they’re not saying “hey call your representative, demand that they refuse any more AIPAC money” (asterisk, fantastic idea).
Instead we get the whole “this joke post isn’t specifically about the thing I’m mad about, and everything that fails to flatter me feels like an attack because I externalise all my negative emotions like a child” treatment.
And who do you think is responsible for their country if not the people who make up said country, who provide the material means for said country to function, and through inaction enable said government to do as it please?
We gonna make Norway responsible for them all or does everyone get a free pass?
2- Most everyone here knows our presidents are no saints. But none have been openly this evil. And if you make all of them devils, how do you signify one has been worse to his people than the devil?
The 542 drone strikes that Obama authorized killed an estimated 3,797 people, including 324 civilians. As he reportedly told senior aides in 2011: “Turns out I’m really good at killing people. Didn’t know that was gonna be a strong suit of mine.”
Americans are fucking delusional about their governments.
Deleted my last one as it was just confrontational as I was in a rush to post it
Yes, Obama did some evil things. Yes, every US president has done evil things. Some a lot worse than others. Thats not new information.
But to throw out Obamas numbers as if they’re the worse ones is egregious. Yes, he had a lot of civilian casualties. But Trump was literally getting so many civilians deaths he had Obamas rule to report civilian drone deaths repealed. but even with that repealed his have been atleast cofirmed doublenumbers of Obamas and upwards oh 10x as much.
But moving past that, you cherry picked your argument. The point you chopped up was about a US president being openly evil towards his OWN civilians. So you’re not only wrong, but youre also wrong about something that wasn’t even part of the argument.
Truth. Americans get offended by it. The american naive privileged culture is sickening and an enemy of genuine humanity.
Eventually the world might start to do something to complacent regular americans and the fact they are letting their nation affect the world negatively.
Maybe Israel, Russia, and America should be taken care of.
It’s a rare opinion to hold that both the USA and Russia should be dealt with, I commend you for not being some mindless Tankie, at least.
That said, any such conflict is completely unfeasible because it would result in the rise of an even worse Chinese global supremacy, and they are literally worse. It would also result in a worsening middle eastern situation as China is funding Iran who funds and arms radical militants across the middle east, which would continue even after the US and Russian proxy war ends because China would still be adversarial to the EU.
Trump was the first one to try to repeal the 14th amendment, the one Lincoln was famous for signing off on, so that Trump can try to take away the rights of, imprison, and remove anybody he wants at any time without a real warrant.
Don’t try to normalize this shit.
As opposed to say Andrew Jackson who did that to Native Americans? What about Operation Wetback?
The fact that you had to go back just under 200 years to find another example really illustrates how bad it is.
Operation Wetback happened in 1954…
But Andrew Jackson became president in 1829, which is what I was referring to.
So you just ignored the other thing?
Neither me nor them could be bothered to search up who was potus in 1954.
Okay but I wasn’t required to go back 200 years to find an example…
Okay, who else is your example? President Operation Wetback?
Ever heard of Barack Obama? 2009 winner. During his terms to 2017, ordered 1,878 drone strikes. Unknown number of innocent people killed. 2017 was 8 years ago.
Unironically the best POTUS of the last half century, saved millions from death and suffering by expanding Medicaid and funding deradicalization programs.
Are you saying we didn’t have a president in 1954?
At this point I am fairly certain you are a troll and I am tagging you as such. Good day.
Forgive me for not taking this conversation very seriously, I kind of wrote you off as any sensible person when you started defending the Trump admin.
Jesus christ dude, you’re really insufferable.
But they also went back to 1954, refuting your entire premise of that they had to go back 200 years to find anything.
Just admit you didn’t know when it was and take the L.
That is not the way of the internet.
Haven’t you been ratio’d enough, yet?
WWII Internment Camps?
Still not worse than the Trump immigration camps, no.
The USA incarcerated about 120,000 Japanese, which is not only smaller in scale but afaik was a completely public operation rather than a scheme to enrich private prison companies.
He did something bad to Americans instead of Americans doing something bad to the rest of us for once.
Don’t normalize the rest of your shit.
Maybe normalize yourself, who talks to strangers like this damn
Lemmy has a large subset of users who think it’s appropriate to be rude assholes all the time. It’s probably people who are scared little bitches irl and they take it out on the internet where people can’t punch them in the fucking mouth for being a jackass.
I know, I know. I’m just tired. I’ve gotten to a point where I’m dropping weaponised therapy. It’s not wise or kind-hearted, but it’s where I’m at.
More upset by words than crimes against humanity.
All you’re doing is starting arguments online, everyone is upset about the crimes and all you’re doing is making that about yourself
Not upset enough to ever do anything about, it’s been going on for over a century now.
This is like blaming the Chinese or Russians for their awful governments. I truly don’t understand how people get so self righteous to the point of completely ignoring what real life is.
They’re not interested in solving the actual problem, you notice they’re not saying “hey call your representative, demand that they refuse any more AIPAC money” (asterisk, fantastic idea).
Instead we get the whole “this joke post isn’t specifically about the thing I’m mad about, and everything that fails to flatter me feels like an attack because I externalise all my negative emotions like a child” treatment.
You should have been doing that 30 years ago.
Why the hell is it anyone else’s responsibility for your country? Always with the deflect and deny, never ever taking accountability.
And who do you think is responsible for their country if not the people who make up said country, who provide the material means for said country to function, and through inaction enable said government to do as it please?
We gonna make Norway responsible for them all or does everyone get a free pass?
You aren’t interested in answers, only blame. No one benefits from your toxic input.
I bet that half the people on Lemmy are doing more than you are.
You’re talking the truth.
1- It was a joke about how America is racist
2- Most everyone here knows our presidents are no saints. But none have been openly this evil. And if you make all of them devils, how do you signify one has been worse to his people than the devil?
3- you’re literally getting butthurt about emojis
https://www.cfr.org/blog/obamas-final-drone-strike-data
The 542 drone strikes that Obama authorized killed an estimated 3,797 people, including 324 civilians. As he reportedly told senior aides in 2011: “Turns out I’m really good at killing people. Didn’t know that was gonna be a strong suit of mine.”
Americans are fucking delusional about their governments.
In contrast, Trump made it legal for the CIA to operate drones WITHOUT NEEDING APPROVAL.
Deleted my last one as it was just confrontational as I was in a rush to post it
Yes, Obama did some evil things. Yes, every US president has done evil things. Some a lot worse than others. Thats not new information.
But to throw out Obamas numbers as if they’re the worse ones is egregious. Yes, he had a lot of civilian casualties. But Trump was literally getting so many civilians deaths he had Obamas rule to report civilian drone deaths repealed. but even with that repealed his have been atleast cofirmed doublenumbers of Obamas and upwards oh 10x as much.
But moving past that, you cherry picked your argument. The point you chopped up was about a US president being openly evil towards his OWN civilians. So you’re not only wrong, but youre also wrong about something that wasn’t even part of the argument.
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Compared to all the actual slave owners, genocidal murderers, and Reagan types?
Liberals are genuinely too stupid and nationalist to save democracy.
Awww did your feewies also get hurt by some emojies?
Its ok little snowflake, they can’t hurt you anymore
Ironic
That you don’t have good reading comprehension nor understand what ironic means yet try to use it?
I agree.
Oh no the libs are mad that the rotten edifice of their status quo is crumbling, is it Tuesday already?
The one who got mad at emojis making a joke is going around name calling and saying others are mad while acting superior
Now that’s ironic
No, I’m getting butthurt over US presidents and their inhumane acts.
Now stop getting literally butthurt over some Latin characters.
Oh cause all the first ones were angels, right?
No. They werent. It was a joke about how (some) Americans went scored earth after a black man became president.
Getting butthurt over Latin characters is semi normal. Getting butthurt over little pictures of cartoon men is just sad.
My apologies I didn’t realize the USA suddenly started acting like saints to the rest of the world the moment the violent fascist was elected. /s
Truth. Americans get offended by it. The american naive privileged culture is sickening and an enemy of genuine humanity.
Eventually the world might start to do something to complacent regular americans and the fact they are letting their nation affect the world negatively.
Maybe Israel, Russia, and America should be taken care of.
It’s a rare opinion to hold that both the USA and Russia should be dealt with, I commend you for not being some mindless Tankie, at least.
That said, any such conflict is completely unfeasible because it would result in the rise of an even worse Chinese global supremacy, and they are literally worse. It would also result in a worsening middle eastern situation as China is funding Iran who funds and arms radical militants across the middle east, which would continue even after the US and Russian proxy war ends because China would still be adversarial to the EU.