Trump was the first one to try to repeal the 14th amendment, the one Lincoln was famous for signing off on, so that Trump can try to take away the rights of, imprison, and remove anybody he wants at any time without a real warrant.
Don’t try to normalize this shit.
As opposed to say Andrew Jackson who did that to Native Americans? What about Operation Wetback?
The fact that you had to go back just under 200 years to find another example really illustrates how bad it is.
Operation Wetback happened in 1954…
But Andrew Jackson became president in 1829, which is what I was referring to.
So you just ignored the other thing?
Neither me nor them could be bothered to search up who was potus in 1954.
Okay but I wasn’t required to go back 200 years to find an example…
Okay, who else is your example? President Operation Wetback?
Ever heard of Barack Obama? 2009 winner. During his terms to 2017, ordered 1,878 drone strikes. Unknown number of innocent people killed. 2017 was 8 years ago.
Are you saying we didn’t have a president in 1954?
At this point I am fairly certain you are a troll and I am tagging you as such. Good day.
Jesus christ dude, you’re really insufferable.
But they also went back to 1954, refuting your entire premise of that they had to go back 200 years to find anything.
Just admit you didn’t know when it was and take the L.
That is not the way of the internet.
Haven’t you been ratio’d enough, yet?
WWII Internment Camps?
Still not worse than the Trump immigration camps, no.
The USA incarcerated about 120,000 Japanese, which is not only smaller in scale but afaik was a completely public operation rather than a scheme to enrich private prison companies.
He did something bad to Americans instead of Americans doing something bad to the rest of us for once.
Don’t normalize the rest of your shit.
Maybe normalize yourself, who talks to strangers like this damn
Lemmy has a large subset of users who think it’s appropriate to be rude assholes all the time. It’s probably people who are scared little bitches irl and they take it out on the internet where people can’t punch them in the fucking mouth for being a jackass.
I know, I know. I’m just tired. I’ve gotten to a point where I’m dropping weaponised therapy. It’s not wise or kind-hearted, but it’s where I’m at.
More upset by words than crimes against humanity.
All you’re doing is starting arguments online, everyone is upset about the crimes and all you’re doing is making that about yourself
everyone is upset about the crimes
Not upset enough to ever do anything about, it’s been going on for over a century now.
This is like blaming the Chinese or Russians for their awful governments. I truly don’t understand how people get so self righteous to the point of completely ignoring what real life is.
They’re not interested in solving the actual problem, you notice they’re not saying “hey call your representative, demand that they refuse any more AIPAC money” (asterisk, fantastic idea).
Instead we get the whole “this joke post isn’t specifically about the thing I’m mad about, and everything that fails to flatter me feels like an attack because I externalise all my negative emotions like a child” treatment.
And who do you think is responsible for their country if not the people who make up said country, who provide the material means for said country to function, and through inaction enable said government to do as it please?
We gonna make Norway responsible for them all or does everyone get a free pass?
I bet that half the people on Lemmy are doing more than you are.
You’re talking the truth.
1- It was a joke about how America is racist
2- Most everyone here knows our presidents are no saints. But none have been openly this evil. And if you make all of them devils, how do you signify one has been worse to his people than the devil?
3- you’re literally getting butthurt about emojis
But none have been openly this evil.
https://www.cfr.org/blog/obamas-final-drone-strike-data
The 542 drone strikes that Obama authorized killed an estimated 3,797 people, including 324 civilians. As he reportedly told senior aides in 2011: “Turns out I’m really good at killing people. Didn’t know that was gonna be a strong suit of mine.”
Americans are fucking delusional about their governments.
In contrast, Trump made it legal for the CIA to operate drones WITHOUT NEEDING APPROVAL.
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Yes, Obama did some evil things. Yes, every US president has done evil things. Some a lot worse than others. Thats not new information.
But to throw out Obamas numbers as if they’re the worse ones is egregious. Yes, he had a lot of civilian casualties. But Trump was literally getting so many civilians deaths he had Obamas rule to report civilian drone deaths repealed. but even with that repealed his have been atleast cofirmed doublenumbers of Obamas and upwards oh 10x as much.
But moving past that, you cherry picked your argument. The point you chopped up was about a US president being openly evil towards his OWN civilians. So you’re not only wrong, but youre also wrong about something that wasn’t even part of the argument.
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Compared to all the actual slave owners, genocidal murderers, and Reagan types?
Liberals are genuinely too stupid and nationalist to save democracy.
Awww did your feewies also get hurt by some emojies?
Its ok little snowflake, they can’t hurt you anymore
Ironic
That you don’t have good reading comprehension nor understand what ironic means yet try to use it?
I agree.
Oh no the libs are mad that the rotten edifice of their status quo is crumbling, is it Tuesday already?
you’re literally getting butthurt about emojis
No, I’m getting butthurt over US presidents and their inhumane acts.
Now stop getting literally butthurt over some Latin characters.
Oh cause all the first ones were angels, right?
No. They werent. It was a joke about how (some) Americans went scored earth after a black man became president.
Getting butthurt over Latin characters is semi normal. Getting butthurt over little pictures of cartoon men is just sad.
My apologies I didn’t realize the USA suddenly started acting like saints to the rest of the world the moment the violent fascist was elected. /s
Truth. Americans get offended by it. The american naive privileged culture is sickening and an enemy of genuine humanity.
Eventually the world might start to do something to complacent regular americans and the fact they are letting their nation affect the world negatively.
Maybe Israel, Russia, and America should be taken care of.
It’s a rare opinion to hold that both the USA and Russia should be dealt with, I commend you for not being some mindless Tankie, at least.
That said, any such conflict is completely unfeasible because it would result in the rise of an even worse Chinese global supremacy, and they are literally worse. It would also result in a worsening middle eastern situation as China is funding Iran who funds and arms radical militants across the middle east, which would continue even after the US and Russian proxy war ends because China would still be adversarial to the EU.
Did they just kind of forget about Joe Biden?
The tweet is from Jan. 16, 2017. I have no idea why a nearly 10-year-old tweet is being reposted
Tankies and other psyops tend to use a lot of older media. They’re tasked with creating (harmful) discussion where there is none.
So add: 👴👹
Damn you’re right those 10 years really changed this meme.
Because it’s hard goddamn facts and these comments on Lemmy prove it
It’s a tweet from 2017
Who?
Joseph Biden was a semi-successful used-car sales man from Delaware.
OP is a troll.
“OP says facts I don’t like”
You’re using a very loose definition of “facts”
OP like the original tweet or OP like the poster to posted this post?
The dude that made the lemmy post is a troll.
Could you explain how? Just seems like they excessively post anti-American and anti-Imperialist stuff.
The screenshot is 8 years old, and nothing in that screenshot actually points to solutions for the problems he brings up. If you read through his comment history, he po-poohs taking actions like trying to engage with elected officials to let them know what issues are important to you as the constituent. He’s referencing Thomas Jefferson owning slaves as an strawman to say that all US leaders are callous to human suffering, and bigoted. Laws in the US were different in the 1700’s than they are today. Was slavery an atrocity? Absolutely, but it was legal in the 1700’s. What he doesn’t talk about is how the declaration of Independence and way the framers set up the constitution allowed the laws to change to stop that atrocity from continuing. Americans everywhere are fighting the good fight. We fight against the war in Gaza. We fight against war and our tax dollars being used to make war. Kent state shooting anyone? Not every American is a lazy piece of shit that doesn’t care about the political process or how our elected officials fuck up so much of America and the rest of the world. Progress is slow, and it’s a fight all the way. But there have also been plenty of presidents and lawmakers that understood human suffering at the hands of the government and capitalists, and did what they could to rectify it. (New Deal anyone.) When I read his comments, I get the feeling that he’s trying to encourage violent actions as subtext, without openly calling for violent actions. Troll bro does not appear to be American, but I could be wrong. 草泥馬 from his username are Chinese characters that literally mean grass mud horse. This is a meme/Mandarin homophonic pun (肏你妈) meaning, “Fuck your mother.” Everything about him gives off the vibe that he just wants to incite people to argue on the internet without participating in meaningful and thoughtful discussion.
Okay, lots to unpack there and I’m not paid to do that so keep in mind that this is quick.
It satisfied my question though, you think they’re a troll because you don’t like what they’re saying and they sure talk a lot. I’m sorry if you’re still processing this, but the United States is a brutal imperialistic power that has caused an immeasurable amount of damage to the world, not just people, the entire living world. Its entire system depends on extractive genocide to exist, and there is no reform for that. US citizens may choose to support or subscribe to that system, as many fascists and liberals do, or they may choose to challenge it, as many liberationists, climate activists, socialists, and anarchists do. Their leaders have most certainly chosen to continue it.
People fought slavery in the Americas since it started and they had to fight for hundreds of years through the deaths of untold millions to do it. It was not, “just part of the law,” the law was built to facilitate that violence. Thomas Jefferson – many “founding fathers” actually – only had the resources to carry out a revolution because of slavery.
I don’t think any serious socialist or anti-imperialist sees American culture as monolithic. Most of my knowledge on mutual aid comes from Black Liberationists in living memory. Instances like the Coal and Rent Wars are powerful examples of how that brutal system is also vulnerable to the popular forces of exploited people, which means there is a lot of them. But, you can’t support the state and ally yourself with those groups.
Liberals in the comments pretending Trump is worse than slavery, segregation, Manifest Destiny, Vietnam, and Iraq for that matter because he might affect their rights this time:
Liberals that do actually believe that and have joined a left-wing militia to prepare to defend democracy:
???
Honestly, these whiny babies are even worse that that, they’re not just bitching that Trump is worse than the grandest evils of American history, they’re bitching about a comparison.
He’s destroying my democracy, that’s unacceptable.
I can tolerate gitmo bay and secret police abducting people to whisk away to black sites to be tortured, but I draw the line at it being done to US citizens. Why can’t Trump be happy abusing Afghan kids??
We protested all of that shit, too, and to approximately equal effect
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Your opinions mean nothing, being backed only by hypocrisy, which is why the fascists can straight up ignore them.
If their opinion means nothing what makes you think we give a fuck about yours ya silly cunt.
Didn’t say they had to, did I? I just made a demonstrably true observation, with evidence from within this post.
Quite frankly I don’t expect historically ignorant hypocrites to change, if they were capable of observation and introspection they wouldn’t still be liberals at this point.
Like the kind of dumbass misogynist that says “cunt” as an insult.
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Yes, that too is expected from your kind.
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And you think he wouldn’t be for those things? Hell, he’s halfway there in a bunch of them
Sure, you might even say that would make him one of the devils in the group of devils
Even if we allow for the concept that most presidents will inevitably commit some evils, and therefore do not simply label them all devils, we would still (at a pretty generous minimum) have to label around 1/3 of them as devils. Obviously Trump is bad and should be vigorously resisted, but it is not as though this country has never had leaders this reckless, this callous to human suffering, or this bigoted before. Future generations will find Trump noteworthy to be sure, but probably not singularly so.
it is not as though this country has never had leaders this reckless, this callous to human suffering, or this bigoted before
Thomas Jefferson trafficked a child to France, started a relationship with the 14 year old slave of his, raped her and had 5 children, and enslaved the children.
Edit: To the 4 liberals downvoting, go on defend Thomas Jefferson’s action here you cowards.
Yeah… and I don’t even think he’s our worst-ever President! It’s quite the shitshow, really.
The other presidents left the system intact so their mistakes could be corrected. They left the ability for the US to have decent presidents after them.
BS. The concentration of power to the executive has been extremely bipartisan. The road to Trump abusing power was paved by FDR and Obama.
Who said anything about Democrats vs Republicans? Do you just have your replies locked and loaded, and you look for comments they sort of fit with?
Regardless of your obvious both-sides agenda-pushing: there were still elections after FDR. There won’t be after Trump, at least not in any meaningful sense.
Even if you’re imagining that all the presidents worked together to set the stage for the death of American democracy, then that makes them accessories, not murderers. Trump is the one murderering democracy.
Not for lack of trying. Other presidents have absolutely defied Congress or the Supreme Court, filled the government with cronies, or otherwise completely abandoned common decency and the rule of law. If Trump is more destructive than any president before him, it will be because technology put more advanced tools of destruction at his disposal, not because he is somehow more evil or power hungry than anyone before him.
And if Trump had been president in 1801, how do you think he’d have treated his slaves? If he’d been president in 1830, do you think the Trail of Tears would have been any less than an overt genocide?
Come on. This isn’t a real discussion if we’re just going to make up hypotheticals about what different presidents would do in different contexts. But even if we do base this on such speculation, Trump is still by a wide margin the worst president in American history, because it’s hard to imagine him not committing those same crimes but worse.
To be fair, while yes, we’ve had a number of similarly bad presidents before (I’d personally argue that Jackson might have been actually worse even, but it’s hard to compare given how different the world is from his day), the point of a lot of stuff like this is to try to motivate people to act against the current one. Including more nuance to something like this makes it less emotionally impactful, and unlike those previous presidents, who can’t be pressured or resisted unless one has a time machine, Trump is in office today.
the point of a lot of stuff like this is to try to motivate people to act against the current one.
My point is to motivate people to act against the status quo of evil. Trump is in office today, someone will be in office tomorrow, the American evil will continue.
America needs to go. Split it up and make a few smaller countries out of the land, and ensure none ever has the power to abuse the world again.
Replace the devil emoji with a clown emoji and it works better.
Was he at least the first 🍊 president?
Is there a pedophile emoji?
old man with a lot of power has quite a high probability of being a PDF though, so I am not quite sure if he is the only one either.
But he’s the most high profile so far.
🍆 🍼 This could work.
🦶 📁 ?
