Obama would trounce Trump. Kamala was uniquely uncharismatic and the VP of an extremely unpopular, dementia-riddled, enthusiastically genocidal president while loudly proclaiming that she was not going to do anything different if she were elected. Obama is a charismatic guy and he’s smart enough to lie about doing things differently. He’s also a man, which helps. I feel like people overestimate Trump’s popularity because he narrowly beat two of the worst candidates of all time. Hillary Clinton is uniquely reviled and Kamala Harris is completely incompetent. Trump would’ve lost against 2020 Biden and he would get absolutely stomped by Obama, an actually popular Democrat.
Even Harris would’ve probably won, despite her awful policies and political instincts, had any of the following things been true:
No ongoing genocide in Gaza
Biden drops out earlier and lets her run a full campaign without sabotaging her
Kamala is either male and/or white
The Harris campaign doesn’t muzzle Tim Walz
This is not to excuse Harris in any way, the point is just that Trump is unpopular and any milquetoast neoliberal centrist could probably beat him. It’s just that his opponents so far have been a man with his brain leaking out of his ears, an unelected emergency backup on Xanax and Hillary Rodham Clinton.
There really was a lot of positive energy when she picked Walz. He did kinda shit himself in the debate with Vance but Vance was pretty bad too. I actually think if they let Walz be Walz and also promised to end the genocide in Gaza, Kamala would have won. But I think she was really threatened by Walz taking over the spotlight more than anything, so they shut him up quick.
I cannot fathom though, why she clung so closely to Biden. Reading those clips from her book, she sounded like she basically let him bully her around. My best guess is that she’s really that spineless, but also her and most high level dems genuinely refused to believe that Biden was as unpopular as he was. Crossing him would have made her more popular, even with Dem voters.
There was a lot of positive energy during the few days that they were letting Waltz actually speak his mind. Then the Democrat consultant vampires got to him, and they focus tested all his opinions into oblivion. His debate performance was a reflection of that–they had gotten him to shift to the “they go low, we go high (and also everything is going great in America)” conciliatory language they love, and he looked like a fucking idiot being nice to Vance. It’s astounding that they keep listening to the exact same “strategists” who repeatedly lose elections for them.
If I may borrow a lesson from a particular thought-leader: we exist within the context of all that came before us. Obama was the charismatic guy after 8 years of Bush. He was the guy who gave capital everything it could have wanted during a historical financial crisis while also doing the PR for the bailouts. He also handed the medical insurance industry a huge win while pushing the US to produce record amounts of oil during the inflection of climate change.
The world is now different. I am not so sure his tricks could work again. Mainly because his tricks have led to resentment and political reorganization that would oppose him at every turn. He’s simply not smart enough to reinvent himself to fit this moment. People shit on Bush and gave Obama a lot of credit for being clever but he’s not really any better. His best role in the current era is reality TV and being a guy who makes phone calls. He’s a reverse Trump.
That’s precisely what I mean. We live in the aftermath of Obama’s broken promises, Occupy Wall Street crackdowns, and saying things like “If I was a republican, I’d be a reaganite”. Folks don’t want that. He would also face very tough questions about being absent during these turbulent times.
Supreme Court rules in 6-3 decision that it’s illegal for Obama to have a third term, but it is legal for Trump, because “Fuck you, that’s why”. Trump is president.
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Trump loopholes the 22nd amendment to run for a third term. Barfsack OCrumbo runs for a third term under the same loophole.
Trump beats Obama
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Obama would win against Trump imo
Obama would trounce Trump. Kamala was uniquely uncharismatic and the VP of an extremely unpopular, dementia-riddled, enthusiastically genocidal president while loudly proclaiming that she was not going to do anything different if she were elected. Obama is a charismatic guy and he’s smart enough to lie about doing things differently. He’s also a man, which helps. I feel like people overestimate Trump’s popularity because he narrowly beat two of the worst candidates of all time. Hillary Clinton is uniquely reviled and Kamala Harris is completely incompetent. Trump would’ve lost against 2020 Biden and he would get absolutely stomped by Obama, an actually popular Democrat.
Even Harris would’ve probably won, despite her awful policies and political instincts, had any of the following things been true:
No ongoing genocide in Gaza
Biden drops out earlier and lets her run a full campaign without sabotaging her
Kamala is either male and/or white
The Harris campaign doesn’t muzzle Tim Walz
This is not to excuse Harris in any way, the point is just that Trump is unpopular and any milquetoast neoliberal centrist could probably beat him. It’s just that his opponents so far have been a man with his brain leaking out of his ears, an unelected emergency backup on Xanax and Hillary Rodham Clinton.
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There really was a lot of positive energy when she picked Walz. He did kinda shit himself in the debate with Vance but Vance was pretty bad too. I actually think if they let Walz be Walz and also promised to end the genocide in Gaza, Kamala would have won. But I think she was really threatened by Walz taking over the spotlight more than anything, so they shut him up quick.
I cannot fathom though, why she clung so closely to Biden. Reading those clips from her book, she sounded like she basically let him bully her around. My best guess is that she’s really that spineless, but also her and most high level dems genuinely refused to believe that Biden was as unpopular as he was. Crossing him would have made her more popular, even with Dem voters.
There was a lot of positive energy during the few days that they were letting Waltz actually speak his mind. Then the Democrat consultant vampires got to him, and they focus tested all his opinions into oblivion. His debate performance was a reflection of that–they had gotten him to shift to the “they go low, we go high (and also everything is going great in America)” conciliatory language they love, and he looked like a fucking idiot being nice to Vance. It’s astounding that they keep listening to the exact same “strategists” who repeatedly lose elections for them.
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Counterpoint: obama losing to trump would be the funniest outcome possible
Obama is insanely out of touch at this point.
If I may borrow a lesson from a particular thought-leader: we exist within the context of all that came before us. Obama was the charismatic guy after 8 years of Bush. He was the guy who gave capital everything it could have wanted during a historical financial crisis while also doing the PR for the bailouts. He also handed the medical insurance industry a huge win while pushing the US to produce record amounts of oil during the inflection of climate change.
The world is now different. I am not so sure his tricks could work again. Mainly because his tricks have led to resentment and political reorganization that would oppose him at every turn. He’s simply not smart enough to reinvent himself to fit this moment. People shit on Bush and gave Obama a lot of credit for being clever but he’s not really any better. His best role in the current era is reality TV and being a guy who makes phone calls. He’s a reverse Trump.
That’s precisely what I mean. We live in the aftermath of Obama’s broken promises, Occupy Wall Street crackdowns, and saying things like “If I was a republican, I’d be a reaganite”. Folks don’t want that. He would also face very tough questions about being absent during these turbulent times.
Lathe overdrive: he will be dem candidate. Donald Trump (D) vs Elon musk ®
Obama beats Trump.
Supreme Court rules in 6-3 decision that it’s illegal for Obama to have a third term, but it is legal for Trump, because “Fuck you, that’s why”. Trump is president.
trump already had a third term because he won in 2020
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