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We need more Linux phones
We need to just start beating the shit out of marketing people. Just any time you meet someone and find out they’re involved in advertising, punch them in the mouth. Doesn’t matter if they’ve personally done anything to you. They’ve gone too far.
there’s a quiz show on TV in my country. a few days ago they chose some marketing manager. they have dropped out at like the 3rd question, winning nothing. this is rare. Normally I’m cheering for players but I was gleeful for his loss.
Yeah, fuck that guy.
Excommunicado
Looks at brother
don’t forget, any time you meet him
It is not important that you can “turn it off”, it is important that it is installed. Off doesn’t mean not running in the background, sucking up your personal information.
and critically, most people won’t even know/bother is there.
or draining your battery.
That’s what happens when an advertising company sells phones
We desperately need a phone OS the user can modify at will, by design and not by rooting, and on mainstream hardware.
I know, the argument goes that the only reason phones are so reasonably priced is the upside of upsell for manufacturers. But phones are not “reasonably priced,” they are sold at a large profit and the upsell is just greed.
Ubuntu Touch exists and I have it installed on my backup Fairphone 5. In terms of the OS itself, it seems pretty solid and performs well. However it is very spartan in terms of both the interface itself as well as the apps available to interact with the OS in various ways.
It’s a very small team working on it and as far as I can tell they aren’t exactly drowning in funding. I bet if every person that would like to see another OS option donated a cup of coffee amount of money to them every month they would probably have what they want in the next 3-5 years.
I don’t see that happening though.
I think mostYou think most? But that’s a great suggestion, I’ll check out their funding page.
Lol, sorry, I re-wrote my final sentence, and didn’t delete how I started it originally 😅.
It won’t happen carriers won’t allow it.
Well, in some countries carriers don’t have a say in that.
they can have the slim modem, they shouldn’t get to know anything about the other parts of the OS
Not to my phone they aren’t, get fucked.
Dystopia
Oh, fuck off Nothing, you were to be my next phone! Now I need to find a different European brand which does high-end smartphones. Which means only HMD remains unless something changed in the last few months.
Fair phone 6 running /e/OS is honestly amazing
Completely degoogled ROM, using MicroG to emulate google play services
European Fairphone would never do this, I think. Or just install custom ROM
shift.eco
Have already been since at least two years or so, although maybe on a slightly more limited scale.
The lower mid-range Motorola phone of my gf had a hard-to-disable active wallpaper app that displayed nice pictures, but had a prominent field leading directly to online ads when accidentally pressed (which happened a lot).
Also reactivated itself after each OS update.
Enshitification in progress…Xiaomi pushes their wallpaper “carousel” quite hard, I never activate it because it wants way to intrusive permissions. I wonder if it’s in the same boat…
Might well be.
I had a Xiaomi ~5 years ago, whose preinstalled file manager suddenly started displaying ads after a year or so.
We switched to Motorola because of this, as they then still were known for crap- and bloatware-free system.
Has apparently changed recently.
One of the reasons it was easy to convince my gf to get a Fairphone now.Forgot about that, I installed FX (a super good free file manager, bought the pro version for like 10€ IIRC, or less, mostly to support it). Said to myself no more Xiaomi, but my last is still a xiaomi because it’s, IMO, still so much better and cheaper.
Phone manufacturers know where you touch your screen the most often and put their shittiest apps in that spot so you accidentally engage. It’s the only reason I open up Google’s AI, because I did it by accident.
Phone manufacturers know where you touch your screen the most
Except Apple as it seems. They tend to routinely put essential interactive elements in the top left corner or so, farthest away from my right thumb.
On the other hand, Iphones don’t have sneaky ads hidden in the system, so there’s that…
Unless it’s in the top right for no good reason.
And don’t get me started on the inconsistent ways to go back. Sometimes it’s a button at the top left or right, sometimes swipe from the left, sometimes swipe down, sometimes up. I’ll stick with my android and a dedicated button, thank you.
Moto is good for custom roms
That is true. I just installed Lineage OS on my old G84, hope that it will last me a while.
Has probably been the last decent phones to still feature a headphone jack…Not an option for my gf though, when her G54 broke.
She now rocks a Fairphone 5 and is quite happy with it. And the next broken screen (that will definitely happen…) we can just replace easily now.
I’d be curious to know which phone model. I’ve only been using low end Motorola phones for years but I’ve never seen such a thing. I think mine have all been the Moto G series.
l think it has been the G54.
App was preinstalled, not removable and obtrusive like hell.Lol, I underestimated how many “Moto G” phones there are. I have the “Moto G 5g” at the moment, but had the “Moto G power” historically. But there are like 5 phones a year with “Moto G54” or similar branding.
I found what looks like active wallpapers on my phone, but I didn’t see any ads. For me it was hidden away in the settings and I only recall seeing it when first setting up my phone since my launcher handles the wallpaper now.
I do remember a bunch of apps like TikTok and some random Solitaire game being installed “for my convenience” when the phone was first setup, but I could remove them completely.
I wonder if very specific versions install different crap.
It’s a bummer if so because it’s what I recommend to friends if they ask.
Lock screen ads are coming to all smartphones. Because you know that, once they get one group to accept it, they’re going to shove it onto everyone.
if they can put ads on map apps, whats to stop to put it on every app.
Back to my trusty Xperia with SailfishOS, I guess.
It’s been around for years. I remember one of my friends had a Walmart phone back in 2015 or so that would occasionally pop up ads before opening an app.
The Samsung A series phone we recently bought in India had lock screen ads. I was gobsmacked. It wasn’t even easy to disable it.
Aaaaand there’s the enshittification, just like I expected.
Remember kids - 99% of the time, if it’s too good to be true…
Hell, even when it’s not too good to be true and you already feel ripped off! The audacity of these mfs!
I was really considering a Nothing phone as my next device, based mostly on how much I love my Nothing Ear Open headset.
This has completely robbed me of any desire to give them any more money.
Greedy fucks. Glad it happened before I spent any cash.
Yeah it appealed to me too but now it doesn’t.
At this point I’m just going to get a flip phone and pretend it’s the 00’s.
chuckles in GrapheneOS
You know the project will soon be dead after gpixels will lock their bootloaders? Just the way oneplus did, reel people and then enshittify
They announced that they’re working with an OEM to support new non-pixel phones (perhaps even shipped with GOS).
The Pixel 9 series will be supported for another 6 years, and GOS support for the Pixel 10 is probably coming after Google releases QPR1 source. Hopefully there will be viable replacements by then.
Google is obviously going to keep making this more difficult but the rest of the world isn’t going to just sit still.
I mean they have and well continue to do so. The majority of people don’t care. Other manufactures removed unlocking and people don’t care.
The majority of people will trail behind by 5-10 years, same as always. As long as a small minority at the cutting edge continue to use and develop better things, everyone will have access to them eventually.
They’re making their own phone now. It’s not going to die, at least not in that way.
That’s not what’s happening. GOS has said they are partnering with an OEM, which means a yet-to-be-named manufacturer will ship their devices with GOS preinstalled.
But GOS has said things like this before with no outcome. So we will see what happens.
Look at what happens to Cyanogen when they did their own phone. Doing their own hardware doesn’t mean they well survive.
i heard OP for the newer ones, im on the 12r right now.
Perhaps, but they can’t lock the bootloader on my Pixel 9 that’s not running Google’s version of Android.
You do realize you can unlock the bootloader of pretty much every OnePlus device right?
Not anymore for the new ones, they stopped
That’s not true tho? The OnePlus 13(current latest phone) has tons of custom ROM support and can be easily unlocked. Have you looked at xda at all to check your claims?
Https
Dude that’s china only and is the standard there. OnePlus phones are just oppo phones with a different coat of paint and this is what oppo phones are
… and that’s why I’ll stick with Pixel devices, thanks.
Give me a Samsung with pixel os. I’ve had an 6a and the hardware is just bad.
