Seriously though, the USA is virtually always bad.

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    I’m saying you’re shitting the bed if you think USA joining wwii or perpetuating their current proxy war was done for altruistic reasons

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      I’m saying it’s good. I’m not saying it’s done for entirely altruistic reasons. Those are separate things.

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        and I’m saying you’re shitting the bed playing defence for the great satan

        They said

        Name me a time when the US was intentionally and objectively good and don’t include times it was repairing damage it did. I’ll wait. Forever.

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        Fighting WWII and currently supplying lots of stuff to Ukraine.

        y’know what I take it back, i’m calling you an ape

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          I’m saying the US has done horrible things. But saying it’s literally the worst thing possible and never can will or has done anything approaching beneficial pushes you right into embracing even worse authoritarian and cruel governments.

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            BRUH do any of these ‘worse’ authoritarian and cruel governments hold a global hegemony over others?

            The world would be a far more prosperous place if the US were wiped from it

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              They would if they could. Brittany did during the age of sail, Spain before that. China would love to become the only global super power.

              I think the world would be worse off with Russia or China as the only super powers, as they have even worse democracy than the US, so their governments will can be further out of line with the people.

              And multiple super powers isn’t very good either, last time during the cold war it caused tones of loss of life from proxi wars. And direct war would be even worse.

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                    The United States has existed since the 1700’s and during that time it has been at peace for collectively less than two decades. It has surrounded china with military bases and is constantly provoking the country.
                    Meanwhile China hasn’t been at war for over 40 years and it is often a peace broker in other countries.
                    China has cancelled the debt of several African countries.
                    The us funds foreign “aid” to these countries thru the IMF with loans that give them complete control over fiscal policy, if they cannot repay them.

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                    The United States, from its very inception has been and is an expansionist, imperialist project. From its inception the tools it uses to gain and maintain dominance over the rest of the world include genocide, slavery, mass murder campaigns, invasion, bombing, covert support for military coup and dictatorship, brutal suppression of all opposition to capitalism and the U.S. led global capitalist order. It has more of its own people locked up in cages than any other country in the world, both as a percentage and in total numbers. It spends more on military and policing than any other country. Simply put, no country is more brutal or heinous in its authoritarian ways than the United States of America.