Looks like redditors have discovered that /r/AskSocialists was taken over by the ACP. But then posts criticizing them have been getting deleted in /r/socialism, too, so seems they’re also in there. Since /r/thedeprogram was shut down it doesn’t seem good for the left on reddit, although at least a bunch of people are aware of the issue now.
Oh yeah that’s all shit and horrible. I guess I still see all of this as following from the simplified and entirely incorrect analysis (or at least it could explain it, I guess maybe for Haz it went the other way by starting at conservative and nationalistic values and then finding an analysis that supports it).
I guess the more important question than “how did they reach these shit standpoints”, it’s more important to know how to propagandize and work against it. Does the way we answer the ‘how did they get here’ question have an impact on that? I think so, and that it’s more useful to start with the mistake in class definition than to start at the nationalism as their kernel. But I’m not like super convinced of this