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At the first meeting, the Russians presented a set of harsh conditions, effectively demanding Ukraine’s capitulation. This was a nonstarter. But as Moscow’s position on the battlefield continued to deteriorate, its positions at the negotiating table became less demanding. So on March 3 and March 7, the parties held a second and third round of talks […]
Regarding territorial issues, parts of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions of Donbass would remain under Russian control
Moscow ostensibly wanted Kiev to slash the size of its army to 85,000 people, while Ukraine insisted on retaining a strength of 250,000.
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Why would a Worker Party be pro Immigration ?
It diminshes the Wages of the Working class.
Marx:
capitalists diminish the wages of the working class. not immigrants
Yes via Importing “Excess Labour” from first the villages (19 century) later the Imperial Periphery into the Imperial core (20th Century) , thereby ensuring the oversupply of “industrial Reserve army” thereby ensuring the “Replacability” of its Workforce thereby suppressing wages.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soA7-qpXaLM
So maybe the point is to push an anti capitalist policy, and not an anti immigrant one
But (Mass) Immigration is a Capitalistic Project (Bourgoise in Marx , the Bourgoise is the Capitalist Class)
It might be that you come from Privlege so you are not “Replacable by Access Labour”.
But a Immigratworker (No matter his IDENTIY or place of Birth ) the Moment he is Worker his CLASS-INTEREST
is not “EVEN MORE EXCESS LABOUR” that can replace him and lower his wages . This has nothing to do with the Individual Identy or Place of Birth but with his “Class Position as a Worker”.
My wife fled her family trying to kill her. Now she’s “undocumented”. No offense but “left-wing” anti-immigrationists are as socialist as the nazis in my book.
Prohibition of migration is an awful policy that makes exploitation worst. Illegal aliens can be exploited without mercy because they fear getting deported. That’s the whole point of the appartheid system we live in.
YOU’re privileged, you have papers and a job to replace
so you are telling me that it is wrong to assume Privledge when one refuses to see the Economic aspects of Imigration, Imigration is holy of economical Aspect. The Immigrant can 100% be assumed to be aware of the Economic Aspect, per definition it is why he is Migrating Somebody that is seeking Tempary protection is seeking asylum.
PM about the undocumented stuff , if you want i might have Burocratic Guidance , shes your wife but Undocumented ? what are you ? where was the Marrige ?
It’s not a project at all, it’s a consequence of imperialism. The motive behind which is profit and not to create mass immigration. That is a side effect that the bourgeoisie are happy about, but to focus on the plight of the white german worker and throw the immigrant under the bus is not an act of class solidarity.
Its not “one big Project” no thats true. Its more like a Ruthless - Allgorithm that is Mindlessly running its course , the Imperial extraction and Wars forces the the People to follow their Ressources to the Factories… Pulling people away and devastating the the Demographics of the Periperhy countries…
Its generally aknowledged that the immigrant is not something “good” ,not a role one dreams of to play but that its somethign sad, A product of Imperialist Extraction or War that sees a Family confronted with having no future in his homeland and having to Leave this Homeland to make means in foreign Lands with this foreign land propably not that innocent on the Immigrants situation and Racist on top.
With the Imperial core not beeing able to create a Society stable and secure enough to grow, he (Capital ) has a Interest in dressing up Immigration up as “generally Good” (For Bourgoise : Industrial reserve army , Social Controll legislation)
but the “Immigrant” as an Individuel as “generally Bad” (For Bourgoise : Divide and Conquer , Atomisation , reconfirmation of the Class position ) , and if you let Immigration become to detached from this Economic Baggage Perfectly titled “Industrial Reserve Army” its becomes very unhealthy .
Marx “Industrial Reserve Army” is the the Perfect name . Marxist do generally want to see the "Industrial reserve army as Low as possible (Which is Immigrants and Unemployed --> they are One-Team --> played out against each other their Identity-Axis --> but United in their “Needs” Axis )
I AM THE IMMIGRANT YOU LOSER
i dont understand the point of that. Explain, i think you read stuff about me personally into this, Like i would be Anti-Immigration or something , this is a Political Forum and in it one Discussion , if able the Political Positions of certain Facions Leading Powerstruggles , in this case the BSW of Sarah Wagenknecht a saved Proclaim “Leftwing” Party , and its Position on immigration , it is not my Position. Your Identity as a Immigrant is obviously relevant to general Topic but what is the Point here ?
Should more Immigrants be Produced , extracted ? Did you like to leave your homeland for X Factor reasons ?
You are the one who assumed that I’m only pro immigration because I’m “privileged” as if that’s the only reason to be pro immigration. And not because of solidarity with all workers, and not wanting people to die at borders or be deported. You are the one defending the completely unhinged anti immigration position using Marxist language.
Base - Questions - the Economic relations (Focus Macro Relations )
-So do you want the “industrial Reserve Army” of the Place you live in currently to Increase or not Increase ? Why ?
-Is it important to you to keep this “surplus socity of unemployed and Migrants” ?
-And how absolut is this Position is it for times of prosperity or also for times of economic downturn ?
-The Artisans and Craftsman , should they be recruited from the Periphery with Illustrive Jobs or should the Companies better be forced to educated their craftsman themself insted of extrating them from the Periphery ?
Superstructure- Questions the Ideology (Individuum in Focus)
-Are you Inclusive person ? Are you Racist ?
-Are you Cultural Supramacist / Tolerant ? (in relation to Immigrants)
-Are you Leftwing ?, Rightwing ? . Xenophobe ? (in relation to ImmigraTION)
-Categorization of Immigants along Kultural , Racial , Historical lines
-What does X deserve ?
–>there is no “Pro Imigration” position in Marxism , it doesnt really exist . One is when not Moraly decayed “Pro Immigrant” (Xenia) , but you dont wish Ideologicly for homelands to be left desolated and people having to Move (I PUSH and PULL Factors) . One simply Helps people in need , but one does not “wish for more Needy People”.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Communism must fundamentally be globally inclusive, with no discrimination to “race”, nationality, or birth place. Being pro-worker from a communist perspective means inclusive of immigrant workers.
Marx is discussing population on a global scale, not immigration. And mind that overpopulation is not an issue when they billionaires are not sucking up all the world’s resources for themselves and pitting the working class against each other to compete for the scraps.
You’re talking from a nationalist perspective IE sneaking in Nazi shit in the backdoor of “worker’s rights”.
Yes so it can not Proclaim a Policy that trys to Extract “Labour” and “Professional Labour” from the Imperial Periphery to the Imperial Core as this will
A: Decrease the Wages of Workerpower in the Reciever Country
(Industrial reserve army)
B: Extract the Flowers of the “Schoolsystem” of the Periphery country from it.
(Imperial Ressource Extraction)
I mean, yeah, imperialists hate immigrantion into the imperial core (especially if they are brown and/or Muslim).
Nationalism and imperialism go hand-in-hand, along with anti-immigration policy.
they pretend to hate it , simulatiously they never really stop it when in Power as the Issue itself “is their Powerbase” , their figleaf for their Powergrabs/ the excuse for the diminishing of personal rights , etc. its a Paradox. Look at “Imperialistic” Trump and the H1-B visas split with his Racist Base.
H1-B visas are also NOT immigration, it’s indentured servitude.
For ruling class Imperial Capitalists it’s the best of both worlds: stoke horizontal hostility through working class tensions, and get your cheap vulnerable servant labor.
Mind you, with healthy generous immigration policy, foreigners wouldn’t need to resort to exploitive H1-B visas, they could just become outright citizens.
This still continues the practice of extracting skilled labor from the third world. I’m not against immigration, but it’s not an actual solution to imperialism even if done right. It’s harmful to the global south because it causes skilled labor and capital to flow out towards the global north.
From the perspective of the German right (and some chauvinists among the left), they oppose immigration because they’re racists and chauvinists. However, from a leftist perspective the correct solution is to stop exploiting the third world and allow it to develop itself (actually, the correct solution is to pay reparations), rather than offer the possibility of “a better life” where all the wealthiest and most trained citizens take their capital and training and move it to a first world economy. It is in fact true that imperialists promote immigration to rob the third world of its people, even sometimes legitimate immigration and not servant visas.
Again, the European right and their anti-immigration stance should still be opposed. They’re proposing destroying these people’s countries AND locking them inside. If you have a choice between imperialism and refugees die, or imperialism and refugees live, the choice is obvious. However, allowing some of them (or even all of them) to immigrate would not undo the fact that their country is being destroyed and the emigration is contributing to it. The correct choice is no imperialism and no refugees are created (meaning, instead of worrying about the economic effects immigration on either country we should be tackling the cause). Once countries are at similar levels of development and there is no longer pressure that extracts skilled labor from the less developed to the more developed, this ceases to be an issue altogether.
I didn’t really touch on reduction of wages in the wealthier country (which is a major part of the reason capitalists sometimes promote immigration), but all the same principles and conclusions apply (different side of the same coin as extracting skilled labor from the poorer country). Chauvinists on the left and right, though, will often focus on only one side of this coin (wage depression rather than imperialist extraction).
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy: