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At the first meeting, the Russians presented a set of harsh conditions, effectively demanding Ukraine’s capitulation. This was a nonstarter. But as Moscow’s position on the battlefield continued to deteriorate, its positions at the negotiating table became less demanding. So on March 3 and March 7, the parties held a second and third round of talks […]
Regarding territorial issues, parts of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions of Donbass would remain under Russian control
Moscow ostensibly wanted Kiev to slash the size of its army to 85,000 people, while Ukraine insisted on retaining a strength of 250,000.
Edit: Replaced “reporter” with “politician” in the post title
Edit2: Changed title from “microphone cut” to “segment cut short” in the title
that’s sarah wagenknecht, former leader of the left party, she split the party, made her own party named after herself and got too comfy with the AFD fascists.
She’s a socially conservative “left adjacent” politician who’ll gladly support Frontex drowning refugees in the mediterranean sea or work in a coalition government with the afd to do their “remigration” thingy.
she was like 16.000 votes off from having a seat in the parliament.
other than that: yea she’s not a journalist. she’s a former socialist politician who kinda fell off.
the only redeeming qualities she has: her stance on NATO with the caveat that she is a little too unapologetic about russia.
she is a little too unapologetic about russia
How so? In the context of Russia’s major geopolitical disputes with the West, they’ve been the aggrieved party in every instance I’m aware of.
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caveatThe Problem is that she isa little toounapologetic about russia.I agree on that point. Germany needs to be extremely careful not to get worse relations with Poland or France with disagreements on Ukraine. Brexit has shown that the core of the EU might become unstable. Wars break out between direct neighbors most of the time, so Germany also needs to be nuanced and precise about being “not too different” on Ukraine compared to the countries that it directly borders. Diplomacy is nuanced and you can not just simply state what you think is the solution in a vacuum, like always.
In political discussions most people act like Germany can always suddenly pull a 180° without consequences (with France or Poland) lol.
Brexit has shown that the core of the EU might become unstable.
The imperialist neolib alliance being destroyed would be good for literally everyone in the long term except maybe the French and Germans. Edit: it would probably be good for the French and German proletariat in the longer term too.
France, Germany, and Poland wouldn’t go to war just because the German government said that Russia isn’t the devil.
Posting this just in case
Evergreen.
Maybe she was cut off, but her mere presence proves that the question of the war in the Ukraine is not fully resolved in German discourse. This cannot be said for the question of white genocide in South Africa, which despite being a much graver issue has been completely silenced in Western media. Most people are not aware at all of the issue, and those who are in the know are doing all in their power to prevent knowledge of the inhuman atrocities being committed by their black nationalist allies. This is a sad state, but it must not remain that way: by spreading awareness of the plight of white South Africans, we can begin the movement which will undoubtedly give rise to the political force capable of alleviating their suffering once and for all!
thank you for your insight grokkk
And thank you for your openness to learning about the immense suffering of white South Africans
Why does your username have a ironic racist reference in it? Would we be open to someone using Adolph Hitler? What if they only quoted the funny parts of Mein Kapmph? Weird vibe, I don’t like it
Out of character post: As LeninWeave explained, it’s in Maoist Standard English. I actually wanted to use the name “grok” but it had been taken mere days before I created this account.
This is actually a reasonable criticism. I enjoy this bit account, always gets a chuckle out of me, but referencing a violent white supremacist org seems unnecessary. The joke would work just as well with the name “grok”, frankly.
It’s usually referred to (nowadays) as “Maoist Standard English”, any K sound is replaced with KKK and often S is replaced with SS or $. It doesn’t glorify or endorse the KKK, it’s meant as an insult.
As far as I know, it originated during the civil rights era from radical organizations like the Black Panther Party spelling “America” as “Amerika” (the German spelling, likening the US to nazi Germany), which then became “Amerikkka”. It was apparently first used in the magazine “Black World” in 1970.
Out of character post: As LeninWeave explained, it’s in Maoist Standard English. I actually wanted to use the name “grok” but it had been taken mere days before I created this account.
I actually wanted to use the name “grok” but it had been taken mere days before I created this account.
Clearly taken by agents of Julius Malema and the EFF acting in furtherance of their goal of preventing you from raising awareness of their ongoing genocide of white South Africans.
have you considered the arguments presented by Spitting Image in this documentary: https://youtu.be/l9dmoT9AfoI
Judging by the title of this song, I can confidently state that the topic of the lyrics is a post-white genocide version of South Africa, as only such a version of the country would be so filled of hate as to not have a single good person living within its borders anymore.
This is a fucking immaculate bit, I’m genuinely impressed by how you always find a way to stay on message.
Out of character post: Thank you comrade, I’m glad you like the bit so much! In fact, I’ve been wondering whether people thought it would get old, so I’m all the more happy when I read such comments.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Thats not a German Reporter , thats Sarah Wagenknecht , the very recent Ex-Opposition leader of the “BSW” Party - BSW has recently splintered from “the Left Party” (die Linke) over the Ukraine War , NATO & Immigration.
They’ve mostly split due to her personal petty grievances with the party leadership, with her racism, transphobia and her other reactionary tendencies being a distant second. Foreign policy played a miniscule role in the split if it mattered at all. She is a lot more outspoken than the Left on Ukraine, Gaza etc., but it’s not as if the party voted for any arms exports or stuff like that before she left. These differences are largely aesthetic, not something that determines policy.
They’ve mostly split due to her personal petty grievances with the party leadership
Yo she left with nearly half of the hole Linke , Sevim Dagdelen, De Massi , Lüders … Linke is Currently Occupied with kicking out its members for Gaza Solidarity. You Proclaim With extrem Conviction things that are clearly Untrue. That she Took all of the “Anti-Nato voices” and “Splintered the Party” can evidently not be reasoned with “Charakter” or “Persona of Sarah Wagenknecht”. Thats “Bild /Sueddeutsche” Level.
Out of curiosity, what is your opinion on her views on these issues:
Germany has an issue where “people with a traditional family no longer feel valued and someone who is white, male and heterosexual almost has to apologise for it”.
The party is also against loosening regulations on legally changing one’s gender; Wagenknecht believes that such a law “turns parents and children into guinea pigs for an ideology that only benefits the pharmaceutical lobby.”
only benefits the pharmaceutical lobby
lmao, “trans people are a conspiracy by big hormone”.
Yeah that and the whole “won’t someone think of the cishet white germans” bit is
So theres Probably some Personal Issues in the Backround there, with her Persian Father leaving her as a Child , she never having the “Traditional Family”. I assume that these “Traditional Values Mimimimi” was part why she had to step back from Leadership.
The Last “Winner” Issue of the BSW was “Put the German Flag on every Goverment Building” so we are stepping clearly into AFD territory not just Dipping their Toes, its pretty sad and Completly stupid.
The AFD allready exist , we dont a Second one. So BSW should take the sane Positions “Speaking with Russia” , “Nato does not bring us security” , and draw a Clear distinction line on Liberal Archievment , then Protect them From the AFD. Its Not only amoral but also tacticly bad.
EDit: The Cognito Hazard Quote: “turns parents and children into guinea pigs for an ideology that only benefits the pharmaceutical lobby.” , is pretty insane and new to me , wheres that from ?
The exact quote takes place at 2:09 however it isn’t the only transphobic point made by her in this statement.
CW: transphobia https://youtu.be/xxMllVtVZ_o
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Also split over her bigotry and petit bourgeois takes not being tolerated in a fucking reformist party. She is outright class collaborationist, even more so than the rest of Die Linke
Sounded based but their stance on police and immigration are a little sus.
One of the reasons for her leaving Die Linke was that she figured they catered too much to “bizarre minorities”. She now also runs on a plattform of “economical rationality” and never explains what that means
“economic rationality” sounds like the “fiscal responsibility” dogwhistle we have in the US and “bizzare minority” just sounds straight up hitlerite.
I’m long of the opinion that woman has been an unironic nazbol for years
Why would a Worker Party be pro Immigration ?
It diminshes the Wages of the Working class.
Marx:
Big industry constantly requires a reserve army of unemployed workers for times of overproduction. The main purpose of the bourgeois in relation to the worker is, of course, to have the commodity labour as cheaply as possible, which is only possible when the supply of this commodity is as large as possible in relation to the demand for it, i.e., when the overpopulation is the greatest. Overpopulation is therefore in the interest of the bourgeoisie,
capitalists diminish the wages of the working class. not immigrants
Yes via Importing “Excess Labour” from first the villages (19 century) later the Imperial Periphery into the Imperial core (20th Century) , thereby ensuring the oversupply of “industrial Reserve army” thereby ensuring the “Replacability” of its Workforce thereby suppressing wages.
So maybe the point is to push an anti capitalist policy, and not an anti immigrant one
But (Mass) Immigration is a Capitalistic Project (Bourgoise in Marx , the Bourgoise is the Capitalist Class)
Big industry constantly requires a reserve army of unemployed workers for times of overproduction. The main purpose of the bourgeois in relation to the worker is, of course, to have the commodity labour as cheaply as possible, which is only possible when the supply of this commodity is as large as possible in relation to the demand for it, i.e., when the overpopulation is the greatest. Overpopulation is therefore in the interest of the bourgeoisie,
It might be that you come from Privlege so you are not “Replacable by Access Labour”.
But a Immigratworker (No matter his IDENTIY or place of Birth ) the Moment he is Worker his CLASS-INTEREST
is not “EVEN MORE EXCESS LABOUR” that can replace him and lower his wages . This has nothing to do with the Individual Identy or Place of Birth but with his “Class Position as a Worker”.
My wife fled her family trying to kill her. Now she’s “undocumented”. No offense but “left-wing” anti-immigrationists are as socialist as the nazis in my book.
Prohibition of migration is an awful policy that makes exploitation worst. Illegal aliens can be exploited without mercy because they fear getting deported. That’s the whole point of the appartheid system we live in.
It might be that you come from Privlege so you are not “Replacable by Access Labour”.
YOU’re privileged, you have papers and a job to replace
It’s not a project at all, it’s a consequence of imperialism. The motive behind which is profit and not to create mass immigration. That is a side effect that the bourgeoisie are happy about, but to focus on the plight of the white german worker and throw the immigrant under the bus is not an act of class solidarity.
It might be that you come from Privlege so you are not “Replacable by Access Labour”.
I AM THE IMMIGRANT YOU LOSER
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Communism must fundamentally be globally inclusive, with no discrimination to “race”, nationality, or birth place. Being pro-worker from a communist perspective means inclusive of immigrant workers.
Marx is discussing population on a global scale, not immigration. And mind that overpopulation is not an issue when they billionaires are not sucking up all the world’s resources for themselves and pitting the working class against each other to compete for the scraps.
You’re talking from a nationalist perspective IE sneaking in Nazi shit in the backdoor of “worker’s rights”.
Communism must fundamentally be globally inclusive
Yes so it can not Proclaim a Policy that trys to Extract “Labour” and “Professional Labour” from the Imperial Periphery to the Imperial Core as this will
A: Decrease the Wages of Workerpower in the Reciever Country
(Industrial reserve army)
B: Extract the Flowers of the “Schoolsystem” of the Periphery country from it.
I mean, yeah, imperialists hate immigrantion into the imperial core (especially if they are brown and/or Muslim).
Nationalism and imperialism go hand-in-hand, along with anti-immigration policy.
I mean, yeah, imperialists hate immigrantion into the imperial core (especially if they are brown and/or Muslim).
they pretend to hate it , simulatiously they never really stop it when in Power as the Issue itself “is their Powerbase” , their figleaf for their Powergrabs/ the excuse for the diminishing of personal rights , etc. its a Paradox. Look at “Imperialistic” Trump and the H1-B visas split with his Racist Base.
H1-B visas are also NOT immigration, it’s indentured servitude.
For ruling class Imperial Capitalists it’s the best of both worlds: stoke horizontal hostility through working class tensions, and get your cheap vulnerable servant labor.
Mind you, with healthy generous immigration policy, foreigners wouldn’t need to resort to exploitive H1-B visas, they could just become outright citizens.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Ukraine’s “Fell for it Again” medal was very costly.
She’s not just a reporter. Sahra Wagenknecht used to be the leader of the German left party Die Linke and, after splitting from the party due to ideological reasons, founded her own party.
I am once again begging for actually leftist German politicians instead of people like her with these takes:
Germany has an issue where “people with a traditional family no longer feel valued and someone who is white, male and heterosexual almost has to apologise for it”.
The party is also against loosening regulations on legally changing one’s gender; Wagenknecht believes that such a law “turns parents and children into guinea pigs for an ideology that only benefits the pharmaceutical lobby.”
Germany has an issue where “people with a traditional family no longer feel valued and someone who is white, male and heterosexual almost has to apologise for it”.
The value reduction they feel is because they were over valued and over represented in the first place. The only people upset about this fundamentally have a problem with groups outside of this traditional family being represented or existing.
The party is also against loosening regulations on legally changing one’s gender; Wagenknecht believes that such a law “turns parents and children into guinea pigs for an ideology that only benefits the pharmaceutical lobby.”
Where is the evidence that the pharmaceutical lobby is responsible for trans people? What fucking nonsense. I doubt you can find a single donation from pharma to any lgbt orgs and it is always lgbt lobbying that has resulting in these changes.
There are a lot of national socialist apeing as “leftist” who are working with Russia to undermine European democracies.
Even if you believe Russias position as an antagonist towards NATO is overall good on a geopolitical scale in regards to multipolarism. It doesn’t mean they as a country arent extremely conservative in a cultural sense and nationalist in a political sense. Or that they aren’t supporting far right politicians all over the world as it benefits them in the long run.
Or that they aren’t supporting far right politicians all over the world as it benefits them in the long run.
This bullshit line only serves to displace blame from the inherent reactionary tendencies of all western countries. Russiagate bullshit needs to fucking die. Own your reactionary politicians and do something about them instead of blaming the “perfidious asiatics”. It’s exhausting with you fucking people. Clean your own house and fuck off.
This bullshit line only serves to displace blame from the inherent reactionary tendencies of all western countries. Russiagate bullshit needs to fucking die.
I’m not saying they are the cause of it, just that it would be stupid to not exploit the natural cycle of democratic nations sliding into fascism.
who are working with Russia to undermine European democracies.
There is no such thing as European democracy.
Or that they aren’t supporting far right politicians all over the world as it benefits them in the long run.
I’m sure that Russia maintains relationships with the relatively few political parties in Europe that don’t want to destroy them, some of which are far-right. However, I would be careful not to attribute the rise of such parties to Russian interference. Russia is not an all-powerful Machiavellian villain with the ability to control Europe, and Europeans have never needed the help of any outside influence to make themselves hitlerites.
Overall this comment seems to describe a good, “democratic” nature of Europe which is being torn down by Russian interference, which is simply not true. Moreover, I don’t see how Russians are significantly more conservative and nationalistic than many other Europeans (less, in some cases).
There is no such thing as European democracy.
I mean, if we are engaging in semantics I could have put democracies in quotes or prefaced it with countries that describe themselves as democracies. However, I figured that was self evident to people in this sub.
However, I would be careful not to attribute the rise of such parties to Russian interference. Russia is not an all-powerful Machiavellian villain with the ability to control Europe, and Europeans have never needed the help of any outside influence to make themselves hitlerites.
I never said they were the attributing factor, just an entity who helps the natural decline of democracy sliding into fascism along for their own benefit.
Overall this comment seems to describe a good, “democratic” nature of Europe which is being torn down by Russian interference
Nah, just a comment about the inevitable downsides of multipolarism in action in Europe. Most of which is caused by “democracies” inherent flaw of being so susceptible to fascism.
decline of democracy
Still holding on to this fantasy. It can’t “decline” if it doesn’t exist in the first place.
Choosing to focus on the pedantic again?
I mean, if we are engaging in semantics
It’s not semantic. European countries are not democratic. Fascism is on the rise because it preserves bourgeois interests when liberalism decays. The preservation of bourgeois interests is the goal of all existing European states you call “democracies”.
You go on to talk about the “natural decline of democracy”. Even if this democracy did exist, what is your conclusion? It’s natural and we just have to accept cycles of fascism? Democracy is bad and should be replaced to avoid fascism? This idea of “democracy” and “natural decline” leads to incoherent analysis. The word you are looking for is “liberalism” or “bourgeois dictatorship”, and they need no assistance from Russia to produce fascism.
If Europeans being hitlerites is an inevitable consequence of “multipolarism” (aka making their neo-colonial empires harder to maintain), then Europe as a political project should be abolished and reorganized. This is a problem with European liberals, not the existence of “multipolarity”.
It’s not semantic. European countries are not democratic. Fascism is on the rise because it preserves bourgeois interests when liberalism decays. The preservation of bourgeois interests is the goal of all existing European states you call “democracies”.
It’s semantic when I agree with your general opinion and then we continue to quibble about how to exactly utilize it in a sentence.
If we both agree democracies don’t really exist then it’s self evident and does not require a preface. Especially when my point isn’t dependent on the countries truly being democratic or not.
Even if this democracy did exist, what is your conclusion? It’s natural and we just have to accept cycles of fascism? Democracy is bad and should be replaced to avoid fascism? This idea of “democracy” and “natural decline” leads to incoherent analysis.
Liberalisms naturally leads to fascism and should be replaced by socialism… Nothing I said previously conflicts with this.
they need no assistance from Russia to produce fascism.
I never said it required Russia to produce fascism, just that it benefits Russia to speed it along.
This is a problem with European liberals, not the existence of “multipolarity”.
Its liberals being reactionary… Meaning they are reacting to multipolarism.
There are a lot of national socialist apeing as “leftist” who are working with Russia to undermine European democracies.
Why are you using “national socialist” instead of nazi? Every single time I see someone doing this they have absurd brainworms that the nazis were socialists, or they’re a person who chooses to use it because they like to promote the myth or to associate socialism with nazism to smear actual socialists. Seeing you phrase yourself this way is an immediate red flag to me.
Which “leftists” are you referring to that are actually nazis just apeing as “leftists”? Give me something concrete, what party? What organisations are you referring to? Who? This vagueness is deeply suspicious to me. It’s the kind of thing someone does when they don’t want to be properly refuted.
European democracies
Bourgeoise democracy only represents the bourgeoisie. It does not represent the wishes of the proletariat and is therefore not particularly democratic. Calling them democracies without this disclaimer makes me assume you are a neoliberal.
national socialist" instead of nazi? Every single time I see someone doing this they have absurd brainworms that the nazis were socialists
I mean, they’re the same thing. I just think the modern equivalent tend to present themselves as socialist who happen to be nationalist rather than the neo Nazi they really are.
Which “leftists” are you referring to that are actually nazis just apeing as “leftists”? Give me something concrete, what party?
The Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance is a pretty good example… Or stačilo in in the Czech Republic.
Calling them democracies without this disclaimer makes me assume you are a neoliberal.
Any time I mention a democracy I have to make a long preface? I never said if it was a good thing or a bad thing, just that supporting nationalist political parties was a way to disrupt the democratic countries.
And no I am not a neolib… Personally I think promoting multipolarism is a mixed bag. Over all it may bring some geopolitical stability but it does have its downsides, and that often going to be felt hardest by at risk groups.
I mean, they’re the same thing.
No they’re not. You’re emphasising the socialist where everyone that recognises that they are not socialist absolutely does not use it, ever. You’re literally using the nazi’s own propaganda because you view it as useful to your anticommunist agenda.
The Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance is a pretty good example…
No not really. This is a socialist that wants socialism but has traditional social beliefs. If you think this is nazism then literally every liberal party pre-1943 was also a nazi.
Are these views backwards social views? Yes absolutely. Are they advocating for fucking nazism? Or anything that would remotely look like a fascist organisational structure of government? Fucking no. They’re absolutely not.
You have confused fascism with identity politics. You’ve got it into your head that fascists all hold right wing social views and everyone else is not a fascist.
Fidel Castro and Che Guevara at the time of their revolution are both “national socialists” under this analysis. It’s just flat out wrong. These are real socialists who hold outdated social views on the family, it’s absolutely not the same thing.
No they’re not. You’re emphasising the socialist where everyone that recognises that they are not socialist absolutely does not use it, ever.
National socialism is a dog whistle for fascist… Pretty much anyone claiming to want socialism for their nation independent from globalized socialism ends up being a Nazi.
This is a socialist that wants socialism but has traditional social beliefs. If you think this is nazism
Traditional beliefs being hate mongering immigrants? The Nazi professed to want socialism for “real” Germans… That’s just not how socialism works. You can’t sustain socialism independently from a greater world wide movement.
Or anything that would remotely look like a fascist organisational structure of government? Fucking no. They’re absolutely not.
Guess what…? The Nazi didn’t run for office promising an. organizational structure of government.
You’ve got it into your head that fascists all hold right wing social views and everyone else is not a fascist.
Can you give me an example of a fascist nation that didn’t hold right winged social views?
Fidel Castro and Che Guevara at the time of their revolution are both “national socialists” under this analysis.
Ahh yes, both of those people famously hated immigrants.
lol. Should’ve known the dastardly Russians were behind everything all along.
I mean they would be stupid not to support radical parties in their oppositional democracies. It just speed runs democracies natural tendencies to decay into fascism.
So you’ve now moved the goal post from supporting far right parties to “radical” parties. Interesting.
The far right isnt a radical party?
democracies natural tendencies to decay into fascism.
So you too also enjoy fatalistic idealist framings of issues to skirt away from criticism. I thought I was the only one!
I hear far more about how ”we need to spend all our money on weapons and fuck the poor, because of Russia!” all over European media, and find it much more worrying than any supposed Russian influence. Europeans are capable of being reactionary without scary Russia telling them to it: some of the most Russophobic countries in Europe like Poland, the Baltics and Finland have popular far-right parties.
Europeans are capable of being reactionary without scary Russia telling them to it: some of the most Russophobic countries in Europe like Poland, the Baltics and Finland have popular far-right parties.
I’m not arguing they don’t? I’m just saying that it behooves them to support far right parties in these countries just as it benefits the US to support radical parties in places like Cuba or Venezuela.
The “European democracies” already undermined themselves by allowing capital to exert as much control as they want, and just allowing themselves to be vassalized by the USA. They join the USA in funding and supporting fascists and engage in regime change all over the world in order to continue to extract super profits from the global south so that they can stay rich and placate their own citizens by sharing some of that stolen wealth.
And this whole war was a result of a plan to exploit Ukraine’s human and material resources in a similar way, with the ultimate goal of doing the same to Russia. This is why the west has been supporting Banderite neo nazis in Ukraine for many decades.
The fascists lost WWII but won the Cold war. The DDR had far better gender equality, gay rights, and trans rights than the BRD.
Parties like BSW accept and attempt to work within the divisions among the working class along ethnicity, gender, sexuality, and disability status that were created by the ruling class in order to prevent the development of class consciousness. But into doing so they reinforce these divisions and allow themselves and class consciousness to be weakened. All while promoting bigotry. That is why I oppose them. Not because of their positions on Russia.
The “European democracies” already undermined themselves by allowing capital to exert as much control as they want, and just allowing themselves to be vassalized by the USA. They join the USA in funding and supporting fascists and engage in regime change all over the world in order to continue to extract super profits from the global south so that they can stay rich and placate their own citizens by sharing some of that stolen wealth.
This does not conflict with my statement?
And this whole war was a result of a plan to exploit Ukraine’s human and material resources in a similar way, with the ultimate goal of doing the same to Russia. This is why the west has been supporting Banderite neo nazis in Ukraine for many decades
I would say it’s just two democratic nations who’ve decayed into the natural cycle of nationalistic authoritarianism that awaits all capitalistic nations, who just so happen to be beefing over the same turf. I don’t really know why people assume Russia is immune to the same dissolution as any other democratic nation.
The DDR had far better gender equality, gay rights, and trans rights than the BRD.
Right… But the DDR has far better gender equality, gay rights, and trans rights than modern Russia. Which is now a democratic and capitalist state.
splitting from the party due to ideological reasons
I really wish she was as cool as I made her sound. She’s a big girl boss and has some interesting takes, but she’s really not much better than most German politicians
She went over even more to literal (petit) bourgeois revisionism tho, idk how that’s even possible for a (former) euro"communist"
“No, I think we’ve heard enough from you on this.”
