If the salary is not in the job ad, then I don’t apply. It is a very obvious red flag that the company is not going to treat you well.
ppl who don’t realize that a job interview is both ways…
Pay? Remuneration? Wage? Earnings? Compensation?
I don’t accept an interview unless I have a clear idea of what kind of salary I can expect
Asking about the salary makes you sound kinda desperate, or uninformed, if you do it in a physical interview.
Wait until they make a offer then counter, or say you have a better offer, etc
Generally you can use resources to know the range of a company before going to a physical interview. Before the physical interview asking the recruiter the expected pay bands for this position is also fine. Recruiters understand.
I don’t have time for that, I need to know what to invest my time in and if it’s a no because of salary, I need to know that as soon as possible. Not many people live in a world where salary is not very very important to their living.
don’t go to a physical interview until you have satisfied yourself on the companies pay bands
Asking about my skills, competencies, in an interview seems dumb because that was what the CV and cover letter were for.
Wait until the candidate asks for the salary and then wait until you get the cheapest candidate who probably lacks skills and talent.
Generally there are resources that companies can use to train newbies to upskill them and pay the taxes they are due.
Typically the interview is about evaluating and verifying the info on the resume
You can train anyone it’s just a matter of time and money…
And by your career opportunity, they mean their career opportunities.
Every chapter of the Cult of Humans as Resources has their own forbidden words.
they are kind o fa weird cult, aren’t they
I’ve only known one cool HR person…they fired her a year after I quit
lol my current boss’s first question in the interview was “can you work for $__ because that’s all I can give you, not my decision.”
Old school bosses are difficult in many ways, but they do at least realize why you’re there and what keeps you coming back.
For my current job, I finally managed to stand firm in negotiations. They wanted to start me at the lowest option, but I argued for my experience in the field, interests, and personality traits that would be an asset. They came back to me later and said they’d bumped me up to the highest starting wage. Thank goodness! It’s been a journey to own my self-worth and find the confidence to demand a higher number. I’m glad I did. This job has a rare team of management that actually listens to their employees, so I know I lucked out.
If it really were a once in a lifetime career opportunity, then the salary would reflect that.
I love this. In my field we often say something like “this is mission-critical? Did the architects know? It’s not been designed to proper spec, you know, and that’s a safety issue.” But, #union, so it’s different.
So often, it’s deemed crucial but not really set up as if it were, and there’s the parallel with a “lifetime” opportunity architected like a joe-job.
It is the law in my region that job adverts viewable from here must include a salary range.
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Yes it’s not easy to enforce. Since a visible salary an equality thing, it’s possible to flag the incomplete posting as discriminatory issue and have it pulled, though.
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They cheese out with a $100-500k salary; and everyone knows it’s cheeseball.
But it’s the law. This dinkweed is discriminating over applicants using protected speech to ask about a detail missing in the advert, and we all find out he is chauvinist in the end.
How to know if a company is dishonest, level 1.
AI slop overview:
By 2026, the EU’s Pay Transparency Directive mandates salary disclosure in job ads, bans asking salary history, requires pay gap reporting (phased by size), and gives employees rights to pay info to tackle gender pay gaps, with member states implementing national rules by June 7, 2026, affecting all EU employers and non-EU firms with EU staff.
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I am a once in a lifetime employee. I’m interviewing the company.
That’s how my sibling usually did it. His resume, talent and creds are astounding; but he doesn’t mention to the interviewer that he’s running the competition, not them.
He does use the proper language “I’m sorry to inform you that you haven’t been selected in this round of competition, but I wish you every success,” etc. It’s been different in this era of mass lay-offs and the upended power dynamic, even for the elite candidates, but typically he’d start with an opportunity pool of about 50, and bring it to about 20 after an initial interview; 5 after the second interview.
My god that’s a ton of effort
When I was hunting for a job after being furloughed a year into COVID I was getting lots of callbacks for interviews.
After doing a few interviews and waiting until the job offer for compensation I got sick of all the clearly delusional people expecting a sysadmin to work for tier 1 support pay.
I switched gears. First question I asked to each callback was the salary range. I wasn’t going to waste my time.
It saved me loads of time on bullshit positions and the “wear all these hats” postings with skewed pay.
I accidentally laughed and then apologized to one poor recruiter when she told me it was $15/hr.
I ended up at a place about $10k/year less than my last job but it was 80% work from home instead of 100% on site.
I accidentally laughed and then apologized to one poor recruiter when she told me it was $15/hr.
Do it on purpose and don’t apologize next time.
I once sat through a two-stage interview for fairly niche job that I was exceptionally skilled at and had 8 years experience in. Then they mentioned the $21.00 an hour while rattling off the rest of the job conditions and I stopped the guy and made him repeat it. We both sat in silence for like 20 seconds and then I was like “Alright, should I go? I’m gonna go.” And just sort of awkwardly left.
A couple months later I got a salaried full-time position starting at more than twice that rate for the same sort of work.
One company i worked at lost their contract and I got laid off. A week later the same company called me and offered a position under a different contract at a different site for a 20% pay cut. I laughed at them and said nah, i can’t go backwards. Collected unemployment and found a different job at my previous rate a few weeks later.
I don’t understand why they hide the names of these folks. Let them get harassed on LinkedIn for their nonsensical, unhelpful opinions they posted with their whole chests…
It’s satire, and probably stolen from this guy:
In this case it’s all well and good, just a bit of ragabaiting, but I still believe those who actually post these insane and hurtful things (people exchange their life and health for someone else’s profit, they shouldn’t discuss what the going rate is?) should be shamed, at least boo’d.
Yeah sure, if indeed it happens outside of the realm of parody. But otherwise it’s the equivalent of getting annoyed by every The Onion post, where the intent is already to satirise those people.
A boss using AI to create a cartoon that ridicules the importance of salary to employees is the height of irony
Even more ironic “betting industry consultant.” Literally works in an obsessive “get rich quick” industry and is mad someone wants to get paid
Could well be parody, or just simple rage bait.
Let them get bullied and blocked for their ragebait! We are all responsible for the words that come out of our mouths/typed on online spaces. 🤷
Blocked, not bullied. It’s just a shame that conflict creates ‘engagement’. If don’t feed the trolls was part of the modern internet, wed all be much better off.
Blocked and bullied. They need to know their actions are not tolerated, not that people they don’t know aren’t engaging with them in a way that has zero impact on them.
Scolded not bullied then.
Ummm… Isn’t the reason we’re here because we don’t have to use our real names?
I could try to follow the name YappyMonotheist around trying to bully you and you could just get a new name, go though a different server, and go on your merry way.
If you think I’m not yapping about God IRL with my chest (and my phone number if anyone wants to continue talking cause faith and philosophy fascinate me!) then you’re sorely mistaken, lol. But regardless, you or anyone, knowingly or not, could murder me too! That’s not the point, the question is: is it merited and would that create a change in the world for the better? Or am I just a villain? In the case of the LinkedIn capitalist slave trader that doesn’t even want people to care or talk about the price they’re selling their time at, I think it does merit it and it would create a better world!
I just think it’s ironic you’re making this argument on an anonymous forum. You’ve got the sense not to put your telephone number in this thread because you’d exchange the squirt gun of IRL conversation for the firehose of even as small (compared to the r-hug of death, for instance) an internet source as Lemmy.
No, I’m just a bit paranoid and I don’t want any white supremacist islamophobe to shank me. Or even hack me or whatever. I don’t win anything from it. But I argue this way IRL comfortably because at least I can tell if the person in front is a maniac or not, lol. You don’t know if I have social media where I am posting away the things I post here too… I don’t, btw, cause I get it all out IRL and social media just means my friends unknowingly ragebait me with their uncooked takes, but I could’ve! Finally, if Lemmy was a site where everyone had to give their phone number to participate, then sure, we’d all be on the same level, but randomly giving my number here? 🤔
I don’t even apply for jobs that don’t post salary info anymore. My time is valuable too.
It’s nice when places let you know they are a toxic environment before the interview is even over. Gives you a chance to move on before you get stuck working there.
The problem is if the company is good but just the hiring manager is awfull. You might actually miss a once in a livetime opportunity because one person is a self absorbed shithead. And after you are hired you would never meet them again
If they do a shitty job hiring a hiring manager, they probably mess up a lot more in less critical places too
You’re not wrong. But having a shitty hiring manager is a decent heuristic for having a shitty culture/company.
If your server was covered in shit, the food might still be excellent. But odds are the rest of the staff is similarily poorly treated/chosen, and regardless they’ll still have touched your plate…
