• purpleworm [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    24 days ago

    Well that’s great, but I wouldn’t know, I can’t get through it!

    If you want to speak in terms of a text you’re probably more familiar with, what does “no investigation” entail?

    My opinion of it is also not helped that it seems like it often gets shared as a reason why convincing people can’t ever be done in the imperial core and thus no other tactic should be tried

    I’m easily one of the biggest proponents of the essay, but my point in discussing it most of the time is to fight against misanthropic ideas about the people being “sheeple” or whatever that are fundamentally sub-rational, and instead that we simply need to engage on a more empathetic basis, trying to understand why people believe what they do in order to find more constructive ways of engaging with them.

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      24 days ago

      If you want to speak in terms of a text you’re probably more familiar with, what does “no investigation” entail?

      Yeah no shit. As I’ve said I’ve attempted reading this multiple times.

      I’m easily one of the biggest proponents of the essay, but my point in discussing it most of the time is to fight against misanthropic ideas about the people being “sheeple” or whatever that are fundamentally sub-rational, and instead that we simply need to engage on a more empathetic basis, trying to understand why people believe what they do in order to find more constructive ways of engaging with them.

      And that sounds like a better discussion that puts it in a better light, but I’ve never seen it happen.🤷 Matter of fact, I would say the opposite typically happens and the argument instead becomes something closer the hopelessness of reaching labor aristocracy or some shit.

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        And that sounds like a better discussion that puts it in a better light, but I’ve never seen it happen.🤷 Matter of fact, I would say the opposite typically happens and the argument instead becomes something closer the hopelessness of reaching labor aristocracy or some shit.

        The issue is that not having empathy and trying to go about these discussions in an overly “academic” manner is usually pretty worthless outside of niche cases where you’ve basically just gotten lucky because the other person was in a place to have that kind of discussion. Obviously there are some doomer third worldists on the board, but I’ve never agreed with them and if you read even 8 - 9 paragraphs into the essay, the author explicitly does not either.