Actually, “science” is a human activity and must care about what you think. It’s the universe that doesn’t care about either.
Is “Neither do I” written on the bottom?
Sadly a lot of people’s beliefs don’t give a fuck about science.
This feels very 2011
I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE
Science isn’t an ontology, it’s a method.
God, what no humanities does to a mf
Scientism is the belief that science and the scientific method are the best or only way to render truth about the world and reality.
While the term was defined originally to mean “methods and attitudes typical of or attributed to natural scientists”, some scholars, as well as political and religious leaders, have also adopted it as a pejorative term with the meaning “an exaggerated trust in the efficacy of the methods of natural science applied to all areas of investigation (as in philosophy, the social sciences, and the humanities)”.
Reminded me of this.
And a method in which beliefs are important. Not the religious ones, of course, but there are other kinds of beliefs.
Exactly. I keep trying to get people to understand that it’s a process, just like running is a process.
I have the suspicion, once you’re far enough in any field, you’ll view as a process what colloquially is considered a binary state. You’ll continue talking like it isn’t a process, because you don’t have the time to explain it all the time.
Believing that science yields universally true results or is the only method of finding truths, however, is an ontology and something you have to believe.
Edit: I’m not anti-science or anything, just a pedant.
Believing that science yields universally true results or is the only method of finding truths
You just described science as though it were a belief system. In reality, science has a presumption that your ideals are false, not true. And a person who could only discover truth through science wouldn’t be able to dress or feed themselves.
I agree with the second part of that sentence, but who would think that they discover universal truths or any truths at all? The whole premise of science is that we cannot verify anything or find any real truth. We can just show that anything else is much more unlikely to be true.
Here is a video by the channel Dr. Fatima (former astrophysicist) which I think has some intersection with this topic. I may have picked the wrong video though because I haven’t watched it in months.
I saw this earlier and really wanted to pipe up, but I just couldn’t bear it.
“Its just my opinion”
No. Science isn’t about opinions. Its facts and nothing else.
If you’re putting your opinion in science, its no longer science.
This is mostly shared as an arrogant statement towards laymen, but really, it’s a reminder for scientists themselves
No matter what you think or believe your experiment should yield, reality check is always waiting around the corner.
Nice, when seen in this light!
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This is “scienceism”.
It’s referred to as “Scientism”.
yr right of course but mine sounds better.
The placebo effect would like a word.
The placebo effect works even if you know its a placebo tho.
That’s medicine. Science just sees it as a problem to be sorted by good study design and statistics
Science just sees it as a problem to be sorted by good study design and statistics
And those studies are going to care about what you believe.
In Chile, in 1960, after the great Valdivia earthquake, in a small beach town in southern Chile, to “calm the seas” after the tsunami, a mapuche machi (chilean indigenous people; chaman), did a human sacrifice, killing a little child, they were absolved because they “were acting in accordance of an extreme fear of their gods of their belief”, and it angers me always so much that story.
When they tell me to respect other people’s believes, I always think of that case, is then OK to kill children if you say is to “calm your angered gods?” Apparently yes, fuck that no I won’t accept people believeing in bullshit.
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacrificio_humano_del_5_de_junio_de_1960_en_Chile?wprov=sfla1 here is the Wikipedia of the incident, seemingly there is no English wikipedia, so use translate if you don’t know Spanish.
Did it work?
if you mean the legal argument, then yes, the machi wasn’t imprisoned.
if you mean the ritual, no, there were replicas for a long time after.
“facts don’t care about your feelings” energy
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Yeah, a tad unfortunate.
explain the problem: irrational criticism & fallacies aren’t scientific
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I love Lemmy people…
…block first, ask questions later!
I don’t believe I have ever had an interaction with you that was not the most annoying part of my day
Cool: consequence of your outputting irrational comments. I’m still debunking them.
I’m pretty confident that you already know exactly what I was getting at
Your propagation of the misinformed confusion of unrelated concepts?
Literally I would not be caught dead drinking from that thing
problem?
seems like you’re drawing on a guilt by association fallacy
Is there anyone out there who hates Ben Shapiro and the temperamental cranks who act like their subjective appeals to emotion & outrage have anywhere as much merit as valid, objective arguments that take actual effort? The latter is tiresome, and they absolutely deserve Ben’s catchphrase: everyone should be appropriating it to nobler causes than Ben’s to annoy him & criticize those irrational twerps.
I irony being anyone who owns such mug does give a fuck what you believe.
Science is a field of work, and its participants are able to think. But they don’t care what you and me think?
I say they do in the same way that I care about the world in general, but I don’t think they pay much attention to layfolks for the purposes of their work.
Until you turn your head and stop observing, and then it reverts back to mysticism. :-P
You’re referring to quantum effects? Don’t worry about whether you’re not watching, the universe is watching. If one photon is emitted from the thing in a quantum state and hits anything, that’s the observation
Mostly, but it could be more broadly applicable like the placebo effect.
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