• BeanisBrain [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
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    8 days ago

    I feel like you can stratify leftists like rock layers by the point at which they stopped winning the “fell for it again” award

    The first time I was never fooled at any point, I’m deeply embarrassed to say, was Ukraine

    • Mardoniush [she/her]@hexbear.net
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      Arab Spring for me, though I wasn’t fooled by Iraq.

      It’s not until you’ve seen good communists, friends and comrades, with strong critiques of the system they’re under get fed into the grist of colour revolution for nothing. For worse than nothing. That you begin to understand.

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      I was 19 and I believed George W Bush when he came on TV and told Americans about WMD.

      I think the blinders quickly fell from my eyes… That administration radicalized me

      As for Ukraine… I didn’t know enough about that country and its political history or culture to have a strong opinion about it, although I recall thinking that it was a very Iraq-like move by Putin. It still doesn’t look like it was the smartest move, but 🤷 I just want to see western Ukraine ceded to Russia already so that people can stop dying for abstractions

      • Le_Wokisme [they/them, undecided]@hexbear.net
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        there’s a john mearschimer presentation from before the invasion that goes over a lot of it. i think it’s on the university of chicago youtube page.

        the other part of it is the coup/color revolution in 2014 and apparently nobody killed enough nazi collaborators back in the day.

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      Someone should make this a meme. Like count and add a point for how many you lived through and didn’t fall for.