• Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    Holy fucking shit do these fucking idiots not realise who the ICE agents are? A lot of them are fascist true believers, they’re literally the dudes that would’ve been in the SS. Do you think “de-escalation training” would’ve stopped the SS doing what they did? Fucking ridiculous. You can’t train these people and think it will stop them from doing their campaign of fascist terror against the population.

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        Yep! Instead of having a right-wing party and a left-wing party (or heaven forbid, multiple parties with a diverse range of opinions) the US has a right-wing party and a nazi party, but the nazis endlessly screech about how the right-wing party are all communists and this works on the majority of the public for some reason.

        Essentially the Overton Window has come of the side of the house, gone all the way to the end of the garden and then time traveled back to Germany in 1930.

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      Didn’t basically the same thing already happen during Trump’s first term? I think it was with the kids in cages, and the Dems voted to give ICE more money right afterwards.

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        If by “de-escalating” they mean “throwing them down an escalator” then perhaps, if it’s long enough.

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      Was gonna say, it’s really funny to contrast this with like Steve Bannon going in front of the Conservative Partnership Institute and proclaiming that if dems win 2028, then they’re all going to prison.

      Chuds buy into the DNC pageantry of competent statesmanship just as much as liberals do[1], while additionally recognizing all the failures of liberal governance. They just think those failures are done on purpose.


      1. because in America, everyone is a LIB ↩︎

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    does anyone get the feeling the dems are waging war on their own constituents because they feel “betrayed” that they overwhelmingly turned on dem leadership over Israel?

    sort of like a “you love Palestinians so much huh well now we’re going to treat you like them”. like active malice. at least from the majority zionist wing of the party

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        Yeah, at the end of the day dem politicians belong to the same class as Republicans. What are their constituents going to do, vote them out of office?

        Also, these Dems realize that if there’s no elections, while these Republicans are in power, they’re in power. They can’t step aside just for some antiIsrael leftist to take power. They’re enacting their own pathetic power grab.

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          There’s still no real opposition to any of this though. People still talk about “Democrats this, elected officials that, constitutional rights, call your representative, sign a petition, Trump Trump Trump, blah blah blah”. I don’t think there’s really a large number of people who are completely done with these institutions and organizations. They’re just begging to be brought back in by politicians saying the right things. How many times do I have to hear people blame literally everything the US does on “Donald Trump”, as if he has dictatorial control over the military and everything else. There’s no discussion of military leadership or other state institutions being bad. Once a Democrat gets back in, everyone will forgive and forget. And then we can all sing Deutschland Uber Alles and enjoy our imperial superprofits knowing we did our part.

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            This is clearly an act of class war, of the ruling class creating another mechanism to beat the working class and poor into submission. By escalating the class war, making it more acute and then failing to respond to it within the official system - they are creating the exact conditions in which a real opposition will form. There’s “no real opposition” because historically we’ve had a slow-burning rightward lurch and less acute, more disparate class punishment mechanisms and avenues in the electoral system to slightly mitigate the suffering.

            It may be a strategic error longterm for the ruling class to start escalating the class war outside the domain of politics into the cities and streets, or it might work out just fine for them. It’s still a large risk that they don’t really need to take for any particular reason other than scapegoating and their own reactionary grievances and bigotries and ignorance. They risk activating the apolitical working class and lumpen into civil unrest and eventual organization, when they could have just kept everything business as usual and just slowly arrested and deported people in a more restrained and orderly fashion like Obama.

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    The strategy is pretty simple, as long as they present themselves as being microscopically one degree to the “left” of Donald Trump, then they can justify reactionary policies that would’ve made Reagan blush

    Of course the true politics of these people is some degraded form of racist objectivism with zionist characteristics, so they always want Trump to keep pushing the envelope that gives them more room to play this kayfabe game

    Dems are market accelerationists and firm believers in the Strategy of tension, despite their lying rhetoric otherwise

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    Before 2020, Minneapolis PD still made national news – as the municipal PD with the most training, especially in deescalation tactics, in the nation.

    I’m sure its politically expedient to promise police training, a lot of people don’t imagine police officers as being bad, and can’t imagine a world without police. It seems like politicians are being reactive to problems of police violence, and for the vast depoliticized majority of people, one hopes it will make an improvement somewhere in the system. And maybe it does.

    But the vast majority of people don’t know about Killology, nor do they know about the Deadly Exchange where police are trained by the IDF.

    It. Does. Not. Work.

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    The dems’ plan actually seems to be: “Vote for us in 2026 and 2028! Remember the statute of limitations is five years! We pinky swear we’ll do something then!”

    Representative Ted Lieu

    The statute of limitations for violations of federal law is 5 years. Your photographs, videos, and livestreams can be used as evidence in future cases. So while this Administration may not hold anyone accountable, a future Administration will.

    https://bsky.app/profile/reptedlieu.bsky.social/post/3mcksq3icjs2q

    The top reply right now.

    Respectfully, Dems have yet to hold anyone to account.

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    👏more👏pescatarian👏gestapo👏agents👏

    If you don’t vote in 2026 and 2028, we won’t achieve this. It will be YOUR fault if their arteries clog from red meat 40 years after they shot you.

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    Also they want to fund the police! YASSSS Progress!!! /s

    The bill (i think) OP is talking about

    The bill I’m talking about