• It is not possible to root out fascism without having that discussion. It is like Aime Cesaire wrote in Discourse on Colonialism:

    (CW torture, mutilitation, child SA and other crimes against humanity):

    And I say that between colonization and civilization there is an infinite distance; that out of all the colonial expeditions that have been undertaken, out of all the colonial statutes that have been drawn up, out of all the memoranda that have been dispatched by all the ministries, there could not come a single human value.

    First we must study how colonization works to decivilize the colonizer, to brutalize him in the true sense of the word, to degrade him, to awaken him to buried instincts, to covetousness, violence, race hatred, and moral relativism: and we must show that each time a head is cut off or an eye put out in Vietnam and in France they accept the fact, each time a little girl is r___d and in France they accept the fact, each time a Madagascan is tortured and in France they accept the fact, civilization acquires another dead weight, a universal regression takes place, a gangrene sets in, a center of infection begins to spread; and that at the end of all these treaties that have been violated, all these lies that have been propagated, all these punitive expeditions that have been tolerated, all these prisoners who have been tied up and ‘interrogated,’ all these patriots who have been tortured, at the end of all the racial pride that has been encouraged, all the boastfulness that has been displayed, a poison has been distilled into the veins of Europe and, slowly but surely, the continent proceeds toward savagery. (pp. 35-6)

    At the end of capitalism, which is eager to outlive its day, there is Hitler. At the end of formal humanism and philosophic renunciation, there is Hitler.

    • MeetMeAtTheMovies [they/them]@hexbear.net
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      I’ve had luck pointing out this is the same song and dance that happened after George Floyd’s murder. Abolish became defund became reform became give them even more money. The Dems are trying to speedrun that progression already too.

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        True, but I think the point Sleve was getting at was attempting to lead people into the correct but hard to accept positions of abolishing the police and US military by getting them to agree with a much easier to accept premise, abolishing ICE. If we can convince people to abolish ICE, then it’s a whole lot easier for them to imagine abolishing similar institutions as well