It’s also easier to alienate new or potential members due to the dominance of covid denialist narratives in social discourse, and that conundrum shouldn’t be met with its own denialism in turn
If seeing people wearing masks alienates new participants, those are not participants you want. They would functionally be wreckers. This is blatant tailism.
I’m not talking about dedicated anti-maskers, I’m clearly talking about the average maskless Joe who thru ignroance or inattention is liable to confuse your org for a health support group rather than an instrument to wield political power, in that scenario it’s not tailism you’d be facing, it’s irrelevance
…Unless that maskless Joe was already primed by sensationalized but accurate accounts of long covid, a Joe who wonders whether the aches and pains he feels daily are the results of the ravages of covid, suddenly a masked org isn’t a barrier to entry, but a cultural signal that tells that Joe “these people have their heads on straight”
I’m clearly talking about the average maskless Joe who thru ignroance or inattention is liable to confuse your org for a health support group rather than an instrument to wield political power
I think this isn’t accurate. Your claim is that someone would go to a meeting and just because the organizers are wearing masks, assume that they walked into the wrong one? Or are you dismissively categorizing (in the mind of the so-called “average Joe”) people who wear masks as unable, unwilling, or unworthy of wielding political power?
Your claim is that someone would go to a meeting and just by virtue of the organizers wearing masks, assume that they walked into the wrong one?
YES! Have you met the average American these days? When people ask me about the mask I wear at work, I’m not met with hostility, but instead confusion “why are you wearing that, did something happen?”, “are you sick?”, “is something spreading around, should I wear one?” all questions average Joes and Beckies have asked me in just the last six months
So yes, unless they’re primed, the typical American will dismiss or confuse your org for an irrelevant sideshow; that’s me pointing out an IS not an OUGHT
Right, this is tailism. “The masses are reactionary on this issue, so we shouldn’t be too progressive on it to avoid alienating them”. I’m saying once again that the people who see leaders at a meeting masking and leave immediately are reactionaries and should not be catered to because doing so will make the org toxic to disabled people and because these people you’re trying to appeal to will not be transformed into good cadres, especially if you cater to their biases instead of challenging them. Which is why tailism doesn’t work and is a bad idea.
“The masses are reactionary on this issue, so we shouldn’t be too progressive on it to avoid alienating them”
That’s not what I fuckin said, how many times do I need to use the words “counter-messaging” and “primed” before you get what I’m lying down? If I wanted to say we should follow the public’s reactionary lead on covid, I would just say so
Instead I’m talking about CHANGING that reactionary sentiment so that combating covid not just in our orgs but in society in general becomes easier, telling the average American dipshit they have long covid is not catering to the anti-mask agenda and castigating a bunch of morose liberals who seem to think demoralizing is best practices in terms of combatting covid denial is not me dismissing the concerns of the disabled
I’m literally saying we need to change the public’s opinion on something so our goals become more realizable and you’re calling me a fuckin tailist over it, that’s funny
Again, the difference between an OUGHT and an IS, and what to do about the IS, so we can get to your OUGHT in a way that doesn’t involve your dreams
If seeing people wearing masks alienates new participants, those are not participants you want. They would functionally be wreckers. This is blatant tailism.
I’m not talking about dedicated anti-maskers, I’m clearly talking about the average maskless Joe who thru ignroance or inattention is liable to confuse your org for a health support group rather than an instrument to wield political power, in that scenario it’s not tailism you’d be facing, it’s irrelevance
…Unless that maskless Joe was already primed by sensationalized but accurate accounts of long covid, a Joe who wonders whether the aches and pains he feels daily are the results of the ravages of covid, suddenly a masked org isn’t a barrier to entry, but a cultural signal that tells that Joe “these people have their heads on straight”
I think this isn’t accurate. Your claim is that someone would go to a meeting and just because the organizers are wearing masks, assume that they walked into the wrong one? Or are you dismissively categorizing (in the mind of the so-called “average Joe”) people who wear masks as unable, unwilling, or unworthy of wielding political power?
YES! Have you met the average American these days? When people ask me about the mask I wear at work, I’m not met with hostility, but instead confusion “why are you wearing that, did something happen?”, “are you sick?”, “is something spreading around, should I wear one?” all questions average Joes and Beckies have asked me in just the last six months
So yes, unless they’re primed, the typical American will dismiss or confuse your org for an irrelevant sideshow; that’s me pointing out an IS not an OUGHT
Right, this is tailism. “The masses are reactionary on this issue, so we shouldn’t be too progressive on it to avoid alienating them”. I’m saying once again that the people who see leaders at a meeting masking and leave immediately are reactionaries and should not be catered to because doing so will make the org toxic to disabled people and because these people you’re trying to appeal to will not be transformed into good cadres, especially if you cater to their biases instead of challenging them. Which is why tailism doesn’t work and is a bad idea.
That’s not what I fuckin said, how many times do I need to use the words “counter-messaging” and “primed” before you get what I’m lying down? If I wanted to say we should follow the public’s reactionary lead on covid, I would just say so
Instead I’m talking about CHANGING that reactionary sentiment so that combating covid not just in our orgs but in society in general becomes easier, telling the average American dipshit they have long covid is not catering to the anti-mask agenda and castigating a bunch of morose liberals who seem to think demoralizing is best practices in terms of combatting covid denial is not me dismissing the concerns of the disabled
I’m literally saying we need to change the public’s opinion on something so our goals become more realizable and you’re calling me a fuckin tailist over it, that’s funny
Again, the difference between an OUGHT and an IS, and what to do about the IS, so we can get to your OUGHT in a way that doesn’t involve your dreams