This was not Lenin’s position, and it’s the same bullshit false dichotomy I’ve seen him bring up before

Not claiming this, just voicing what I think Hasan is trying to do. Obviously, Hasan is not well read on Lenin.

but the problem is that there is no building a socialist movement on false pretenses

Right, but is Hasan actually involved with building any sort of socialist movement? No serious Marxist claims him as a thought leader, nor is he trying to lead a vanguard party. He’s essentially talking out his ass while trying to kill off common brainworms about Marxism that didn’t exist in earlier revolutionaries’ times.

and I have repeatedly seen the contempt with which he treats people representing the actual revolutionary nature of Marxism. You can see in his chat in any such instance that he has trained his community very well to go “based” “chad” at whatever image of select revolutionaries but to reject the substance of their thought and call people with a basic understanding “ultras.”

He’s conditioning people’s first reaction upon seeing references to Marxist leaders to be “hell yeah!” Unsure if that was supposed to be an example of contempt, but I wouldn’t call it that, maybe disregard or ignorance. I would not characterize him as training people to reject the substance of Marxist thought, given he tells people to read theory all the time (despite not having done so himself)

Using quote-mining to misrepresent Lenin while sneering at his actual positions is not the way to accomplish this.

My point is that even empty, positive references to Lenin, AES countries, etc. are net beneficial because his value does not come from education, it comes from debunking obvious slander and destigmatizing Marxist words, countries, leaders.

There are many things that you can do, of which probably the easiest pitch is to simply explain in plain English some of theoretical basis of Marxist political philosophy,

Trust me, you and I both wish he would present actual theory on stream. Despite my defense of him, I do not think his streams are good place to go for serious political education, but that is very much not his audience. His audience wants to casually consume the news with leftish commentary and humor.

I think this is where our fundamental disagreement comes from. You are looking for him to be more serious, but that is not what his audience is there for. Hasan’s streams are entertainment, and he is closer to Bill Burr or Dan Carlin than even the Citations Needed guys, let alone any real leader. As far as entertainment goes, I cannot find any contemporary figure that has a more positive impact given how much he has done to destigmatize AES and Marxism.

You seem to evaluate him as if he intends to be as serious as you want him to be, which I think lends itself to seeing him in an uncharitable light. His job is to make the masses more receptive to us. Our job is to educate. His popularity is doing us a huge favor.

Nonetheless, I will if you need me to.

Is this a jab at me? No need to insult me because I don’t think a twitch streamer is the heir apparent to Lenin.