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cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/7671573
Sweden knew Canada’s Marc Kennedy was a notorious cheater.
So they set up a camera at the ‘hog line’ to record it.
And caught him doing it at the Olympics.
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I trust whatever committee they have at the Olympics to make the judgement on this, but if our team is cheating, fuck those guys.
Yes, there’s some redactionist arguments about how it “doesn’t actually impact the rock,” but fuck that. We have a codified rule that specifically says you can’t do it, and these athletes are playing at literally the highest level that exists. They know better and have had time to practice better. If they’re cheating at the Olympics, I hope it follows them forever.
If it doesn’t impact the rock, then why do they risk breaking the rules to do it?
It can prevent over-rotation of the rock. He knew exactly what he was doing.
Because extreme cases can impact the rock. Barely touching the rock in the way caught on film realistically isn’t impacting the rock, but the rule needs to exist to prevent someone from actively pushing the rock after letting go.
But again, these guys know better and have had the time and resources to train better.
ok, but we are talking about a sport that is using brooms to micro melt the ice, and on a molecular level changing how the rotation changes the direction of this rock… someone touching the rock seems much more impactful
Fair enough. I realize now that I spoke with more confidence on the reality of the situation than I intended. Any avid curler I’ve spoken with regarding this in the last couple days swears up and down that the level of interaction that supposidly occurred between the curler and the rock is genuinely a non-factor. I do not know from any level of personal experience, hence why I stated that I trust whatever Olympic panel exists. I merely wanted to counter the poor argument that “the rule wouldn’t exist if it can’t impact the rock,” as the rule can absolutely exist for the purpose of more clear cut cases.
Armchair analysis is rarely worth taking seriously. I suspect that neither of us actually know from experience, but maybe you’re a professional curler.
Fair enough. I realize now that I spoke with more confidence on the reality of the situation than I intended.
That is a refreshing statement to read. A person after the truth disregards his own personal feelings and allows for possible reconsiderations. Let’s make this the 2026 thing to do! All the best.
Like in baseball there is a rule that the bat can’t have more pine tar on it than the width of home plate. It was put in teh rules in 1901 or something, no one has any idea why and the fact they once overruled the results of a MLB game related to it is astonishing.
It really isn’t. Those rocks are heavy, a light touch like what’s seen in the video would have very little impact.
Changing the friction of the ice on the other hand has significantly more impact because of how heavy the rock is.
Yeah, best case is our team is made up of at least some members who never trained away bad habits that technically break the rules, like sloppy amateurs are the best Canada has to send.
Worst case, they were doing it for the exact reason it’s against the rules, which means either Canada deliberately sent cheaters or selected the olympic team in a way that didn’t catch cheating, resulting in this cheater getting caught in front of the world.
The whole “you’re not supposed to look and just trust your opponent in curling” response tells me that he at least was unrepentingly aware he was doing it and that it was against the rules, so it’s just a question if he was doing it strategically, lazily, or stubbornly.
None of the options look good, just kick him off the team already and probably withdraw from the competition unless it can be proven that the cheating didn’t get the others to where they are.
Everyone’s breaking the rules. If you think athletes are jot on something or have taken something to get there. I have a bridge to sell you.
I automatically expect the Olympic Committee to be crooked.
Also, as ashamed as I am about the Canadian team breaking the rules, I also feel bad that there’s a part of me that thinks, “at least it’s just friggin’ curling.”
Not really a good look for us. Would rather our athletes not cheat on an international stage representing our country. Play by the rules or not at all. Thank you very much.
Getting caught with “you can fuck off” on a hit mic doesn’t help either. Last thing anyone wants is for Canada to gain a reputation of cheating, especially after the drone scandal with the Canadian womens soccer team at the Paris Olympics in '24.
Ahead of the tournament, on 22 July, New Zealand players noticed a drone flying over their training session and reported this to local police.[2] Drone operating laws in France ban drones from being flown above people and ban recordings made by drones to be shared without the subjects’ consent. French police were already wary of drones in terms of security around the 2024 Summer Olympics.[1][3] Saint-Étienne police followed the drone and found and detained its operator, a member of the staff of the Canadian team. The New Zealand Olympic Committee (NZOC) then reported the incident to the International Olympic Committee (IOC) integrity unit, before making a public announcement the next day together with New Zealand Football, expressing their disappointment towards the Canadian team. The Canadian Olympic Committee (COC) then apologized to the NZOC and said they would review next steps with Canada Soccer and all the relevant governing bodies.[2][4]
The drone operator, analyst Joseph Lombardi, admitted after his arrest that he had also filmed another New Zealand training session on 19 July,[5] a fact later made public by the COC.[1][3] Though Lombardi immediately said that the spying was “a personal initiative”, the police found a text message exchange on his phone with assistant coach Jasmine Mander that indicated Mander knew of the spying.[6]
If you’re resorting to espionage please just accept that you suck and don’t do things that drag your nations reputation in the process.
Anyone involved in this should be fired and not allowed anywhere near amateur or professional sports teams.
Flying drones to record trainings during the Olympics isn’t “a little bit cheating”, that shit should be smashed to hell
especially against the New Zealand soccer team. There isn’t even a men’s pro league in the country let alone women’s.
Every Canadian who is a cheat deserves a reputation as a cheat and should get it. Raise your people better.
Because everyone from your country is an angel…
No. But I don’t want my country’s reputation to be build on lies like you Canadian AMERIKKKANS.
Cheating seems a bit harsh. It should have been a penalty, it’s a burned stone. This is like giving up a penalty shot in basketball or an offside in hockey, neither of which should get someone kicked out of the Olympics. The swearing is the actual issue, it’s unsportsmanlike and shameful.
One instance should be a penalty.
However, apparently this athlete is known to have done it repeatedly and got caught because the Swedish team prepared their own camera angle. Only one instance may have been caught, but it was caught because he already had a reputation for it.
If you constantly do it it’s cheating
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I think this whole issue is just set up by Big Curling to make this sport interesting.
Oh, a curling soap? Now we need the revenge plot, the drama afterwards, the plot twist by never before mentioned characters and in the end it was all a dream.
Just make a raunchy show about the gay relationship of 2 curlers from opposing teams and suddenly women everywhere will be interested.
(Heated Rivalry for those uninitiated)
You’ve shared useful knowledge, thank you, honestly
I love curling drama.
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Why is there not a camera from the top pointing down? Wouldn’t that solve any disputes?
So the team with the biggest afro-haircuts win?
Every angle including inside the players.
That’s a very different genre, but good for the quotes.
I’m glad that Canadian guy throwing out the f-bombs apologized for it. I still think he was a dick but I can get over the lashing out if it comes with repentance.
Do you mean “get over” instead of “get behind”?
I do. Thanks. I fixed it.
Read on the subject and it seems a bit overblown, social media helping. After the controversy they started being more vigilant and then they “caught” a british curler also double touching.
That being said they need to adjust their release technique to make sure it doesn’t damage the reputation of Canadian curlers.
Also video replay and challenges could be a good idea.
They should be forced to give back the medal
If anyone’s interested in the world curling statement, here. Basically, umpire decisions in the moment are final and cannot be changed from video evidence, the thrower may retouch the stone as many times as they want before the line, BUT they must release the stone from the handle. So a little bit dubious? But they can’t change it even with video evidence.
It does say touching the granite part of the stone is forbidden
I think I read that the rules are a bit vague saying something like “release the handle”. And don’t clarify if that explicitly meant the handle is the last /only thing you can touch.
The rules are clear that they can’t touch the stone after it starts to cross the hog line. Which I’ve seen a video of him still touching the granite when the stone has clearly started to cross the line and that’s unambiguously against the rules, regardless of if the touch influenced the stone’s movement.
Edit: I just read the link on the comment above yours. They quote the exact rule in question, and clarify that their official interpretation is that it means touching the granite is against the rules.
I lose respect for any organization that isn’t willing to consider evidence other than what officials decide in the moment. It’s basically just saying, “we don’t really want to do a good job at part of our point for existing” plus a dash of ego being upset at being challenged. It’s like zero tolerance policies at schools punishing victims as much as or more than bullies, just pure arrogant laziness disguised as “just following the rule we made up (so that we wouldn’t have to think very hard about when we are wrong)”.
Say sorry Canada geez
You can’t cheat when it’s not a real sport 🤣
I’m kidding guys relax
Now you’ve just pissed off the cheaters and the curlers
They’ll have to hurry hard and get me
I’d joke about Venn diagrams but I’m afraid.
The level of drama over this is fit for a Fargo-like movie.
How about a Fargo-like series, with 5 seasons?
It would proceed with the pacing of people brushing a curling stone to its inevitable stop.
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