• Fartbutt420 [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      1·
      3 years ago

      It’s always a strange place to draw the line. Like you’re admitting that you think that the powers that be are evil enough to plot, plan, facilitate, and/or allow through inaction two skyscrapers coming down in the middle of the country’s largest city for the sake of broader global agitation goals, but using real planes full of Real Americans to achieve this is a step too far and Too Evil for the Proud American Empire, so it must have been drones or CGI or a missile with wings.

        • fuckiforgotmypasswor [comrade/them,any]@hexbear.netEnglish
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          3 years ago

          yeah… gonna be hard to unsee that.

          edit: the NSFW shot is Abu Ghraib. the image depicted in OP video is the body of Manadel al-Jamadi, the only death that the US officially rules a “homicide” at Abu Ghraib.

          a fellow Abu Ghraib prisoner described hearing his torture in this documentary, Ghosts of Abu Ghraib : “…they began torturing [him] and we could hear what was happening. we listened as his soul cracked. the sound of his voice twisted our minds and made our hearts stop.” a US army solider who was stationed in the prison confirms in the documentary that CIA attempted to alter and get rid of the body and make it look like he had a heart attack. no one was officially charged for the homicide, but the officer/NCO responsible for taking the photo were charged for exposing the image.

    • DrumpfYouABusta [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
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      3 years ago

      kevin westley said that he posted the video in 2001 and accidentally left it private for 20 years. when people grew suspicious and pointed out that youtube didn’t exist when he originally said he posted the video he changed it to the 2000s. the vid was actually posted in 2017. he also worked for Boeing as a chief engineer and worked on project horned owl in nevada for the air force which had to do with remote flight tech. it is roughly edited and if you aren’t already brain broken by 9/11 it probably seems pretty confusing.

        • DrumpfYouABusta [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
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          3 years ago

          It’s just suspicious man. The guy lies about when he posted the video where he checks his watch and then searches the opposites skyline as if he knows something is on its way. He also happened to work for the airforce creating remote drone tech. He just so happened to have a perfect view of the second tower getting hit that he “accidentally” hid for 20 years. This could all be coincidence. I don’t know exactly what went down on 9/11 and its likely many of us will never know. There are a lot of ridiculous conspiracies but the circumstances surrounding 9/11 are very suspicious and this I just another one of those circumstances.

          • zifnab25 [he/him, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
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            3 years ago

            It’s just suspicious man.

            I mean, its layers of suspicious staked deep. Like, how do I make any kind of evaluation wrt a video posted on YouTube by an account attached to some data I can’t determine the veracity of from tip to tail? The fact that the narrative is clumsy and fake-sounding out the gate only makes it easier to dismiss the whole body of information as bullshit.

            I don’t know exactly what went down on 9/11 and its likely many of us will never know.

            I mean, we know four passenger airliners were hijacked and used as suicide missiles. We know the two largest buildings in NYC were leveled. We know the hijackers were primarily from Saudi Arabia. And we know the political aftermath of the event was used to pursue enemies of the US State (who were, coincidentally, not from Saudi Arabia).

            But, like, if George Bush Jr and Dick Cheney wanted to trick people into invading Iraq with a false flag attack, there are a whole lot of ways they could have done it better.

          • Owl [he/him]@hexbear.netMEnglish
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            3 years ago

            If you go digging for coincidences, you’ll find them no matter where you look, proportionate to however much effort you spend searching. It doesn’t mean anything unless you have a specific hypothesis that could be backed up by some coincidences and refuted by others.

            Here, go read Unsong. You’ll have a good time, and maybe it’ll help get my point across.

            • DrumpfYouABusta [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
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              3 years ago

              My friend you asked what this video was trying to get across and I am trying to explain that to you. It’s not incredibly coherent. I do not believe that this man is the mastermind behind 9/11. I also don’t belive the official story given to us. My point in this thread is Kevin is a real person and the circumstances surrounding his video coupled with his previous work history are strange to say the least. Its fun to poke around at but nothing can be taken from it as fact. Its just wierd.

                • DrumpfYouABusta [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
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                  3 years ago

                  My guess from this video is that some people believe that kevin was watching his work in action on remote flight tech being used. He does sound almost excited when he says oh my lord but that’s not a justification for believing the dude helped in 9/11. And like I said I’m just guessing at this based off of the video. It is very strange and conspiracy is fun.

            • TankieTanuki [he/him]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
              1·
              3 years ago

              If you go digging for coincidences, you’ll find them no matter where you look, proportionate to however much effort you spend searching.

              Mostly true but in my experience some events have more coincidences than others, even when controlling for effort and time searching. There are more coincidences surrounding Jeffrey Epstein’s prison suicide than there are most prisoner suicides, for example.

  • mr_world [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    3 years ago

    Wow it would really suck if “Russia” nuked a US city right now. A city like NYC that is the old center of financial power. It’s not like there’s a new order in California of fintech ready to replace it should it fall. It would just be so surprising if a US city was nuked. Then continuity of government kicked in, a hapless senile President was retired and the private-public partnership military industry took over. Surely nobody is planning on retooling the US government as a major power against China and haven for the wealthy during climate wars.

    Anyways. We gotta get that Putin guy, he has nukes.

    • Clicheguevara [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
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      3 years ago

      They don’t need to do that. Not to say murdering millions of American innocents isn’t on the table, they just don’t need to bother. We’re 3 years or less away from complete theocratic fascism and foreign policy is already and has been for 70 years completely controlled by corporate interests. In regards to Russia, as far as I can tell military escalation is just as useful as military conflict.

  • MoreAmphibians [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    3 years ago

    This is why BMF is the greatest poster on this site or any other. Holding onto 9/11 footage for over 20 years for a bit is so far beyond what anybody else here is capable of.

    • TankieTanuki [he/him]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
      1·
      3 years ago

      Several years later I was reading the last Harry Potter novel and God used this following passage to make the lightbulb go off.

      Extract from passage:

      Snape raised his eyebrows and his tone was sardonic as he asked, “Are you intending to let him kill you?” “Certainly not. You must kill me.” There was a long silence, broken only by an odd clicking noise. Fawkes the phoenix was gnawing a bit of cuttlebone. “Would you like me to do it now?” asked Snape, his voice heavy with

      irony. “Or would you like a few moments to compose an epitaph?” “Oh, not quite yet,” said Dumbledore, smiling. “I daresay the moment will present itself in due course. Given what has happened tonight,” he indicated his withered hand, “we can be sure that it will happen within a year.” “If you don’t mind dying,” said Snape

      roughly, “why not let Draco do it?” “That boy’s soul is not yet so damaged,” said Dumbledore. “I would not have it ripped apart on my account.” “And my soul, Dumbledore? Mine?”

      And at last, I knew the truth of David in 1 Chr 22…. A wave of pain, sadness and great loss crashed over me. God. God. What about my soul? I asked.

      In war a piece of our soul is lost on the battlefield and it can never be replaced in this life. That is why David could not build the temple. But David’s hope was that in the next life God restores our soul. We know that in Christ our body and soul will rise again perfected.

      Let us Pray. God we pray for those some 3000 that died on these fields as their life blood flowed out. Also we pray for those 100,000 who spilled that life blood and left a piece of their soul on this battlefield. Amen

    • TankieTanuki [he/him]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
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      3 years ago

      I posted this video in 2001 but accidently left it private for 20 years.

      Whomst among us has not posted footage of the century and then not noticed for twenty years that it got zero views and engagement?

      • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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        3 years ago

        I literally do not know what to believe in regards to 9/11. Part of me wants to believe that hijackers got lucky and that the US government really is that dumb. Another part of me wants to jump into a world of psyops, demolitions, remote controlled planes, gold stolen from Iraq, opium smuggled out afghanistan. I JUST DON’T KNOW. And to add fuel to the fire is the date it was uploaded, his comments about keeping it private in 2001, the other psyop shit on his channel.

        • TankieTanuki [he/him]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
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          3 years ago

          One of the most important facts that convinced me that JFK’s assassination was an intelligence op is the alteration of his parade route to include Houston and Elm streets, because the shots from the office buildings in the area (and grassy knoll) would have been impossible without that change, and only the most senior national security officials would have the authority to alter the parade route.

          Similarly, one of the major facts that convinced me that Bush did 9/11 is the presence of the NORAD drills (documented by Michael C. Ruppert). The drills were about intercepting hijacked airplanes that were being piloted into skyscrapers, and they were moved to the date of 9/11 from their original schedule. The confusion created by the drills that morning made the attacks possible, and Osama bin Laden did not have the authority to schedule those drills.

            • TankieTanuki [he/him]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
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              3 years ago

              drone planes and controlled demolitions?

              I personally do believe so, yes.

              The New Atheist deboonker person that I was fifteen years ago would be horrified to hear me say that, and I’m even afraid to admit to it here on hexbear because I know from experience that any mention of controlled demolition theory will bring the debate nerds out of the woodwork, and I don’t feel like engaging in a discussion on it right now. I just wanted to give an honest and short answer to your direct question, which takes a pinch of courage because it’s a third rail topic.

              P.S. There is no need to share the WTYP episode on the WTC with me, comrades, I’ve already watched it three times, and I plan on eventually organizing my thoughts on it into a long-form blog response. I’ll have the energy to discuss it once I’ve posted that.

              • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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                3 years ago

                Well I appreciate your honesty. I just don’t know what to believe, I can so see it being either or at this point. I’ll say this much, if it did turn out to be an inside job, I would not be surprised in the least.

      • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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        3 years ago

        Kaleb Thinking Out Loud

        1 hour ago

        1:37 checks his watch 33 seconds before the second plane then turns in the direction to see where the place comes from, is not surprised at all like the rest of the crowd

        COZMO TRIPP

        COZMO TRIPP

        1 hour ago

        Something about this is off… the reactions… the voices… idk man

        Don’t you make me go down this rabbit hole :scared:

        He literally worked on classified projects at the Air Force Flight Test Center, Las Vegas, Nevada (“Area 51”). This before he happened to perfectly capture 9/11 on video. After this he flew secret radar planes in Iraq (Operation Horned Owl). Then worked on retrofitting B61 nukes on the F-35. And guess which company got the contract for that job? Boeing of course. Where he works now. Then for some reason posts the 9/11 video on the day of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine — which quickly escalated into threats of nuclear war. I sound like an absolutely insane person just for writing this, but I’m just paraphrasing what’s available in his videos, on his LinkedIn and on Wikipedia. 🛸

        Oh nooooo

    • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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      3 years ago

      A guy who

      “He literally worked on classified projects at the Air Force Flight Test Center, Las Vegas, Nevada (“Area 51”). This before he happened to perfectly capture 9/11 on video. After this he flew secret radar planes in Iraq (Operation Horned Owl). Then worked on retrofitting B61 nukes on the F-35. And guess which company got the contract for that job? Boeing of course. Where he works now. Then for some reason posts the 9/11 video on the day of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine — which quickly escalated into threats of nuclear war. I sound like an absolutely insane person just for writing this, but I’m just paraphrasing what’s available in his videos, on his LinkedIn and on Wikipedia. 🛸”

      Posted the clearest footage of world trade tower 2 getting struck ever on the day of the invasion of Ukraine. Guy claimed he uploaded the video in 2001, a good 4 years before youtube launched, but set it to private. The rest of his channel has very strange videos highlighting his service with the airforce.

    • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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      3 years ago

      I think it’s someone doing a bit honestly. I don’t see intelligence goons having all that much interest in hexbear if I’m being honest. We’re smol beans compared to reddit which 1,000% has intel fingerprints all over it.

      • invalidusernamelol [he/him]@hexbear.netMEnglish
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        3 years ago

        Yeah, it was likely a dumb bit. The whole thing was really over the top.

        I kinda wish we did get more ops though. All we get is Vaushites being fucking losers. I want some legit psyop action up in here!

        Edit: Read the whole rambling comment and it is 100% a BMF bit lmao. That ending with the overly long Snape quote about gnawing on bones and understanding the bible, I’m fucking reeling lmfao