• AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    14 hours ago

    Resistive heaters still suck though because Heat pumps give you 200-400% efficiency. So heating wise, “100%” still less than maximally efficient.

    (Not a violation of thermodynamics btw. Heat pumps use electricity to move heat energy that already exists, so the electric power in is often significantly smaller than the heat coming out of the device)

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      7 hours ago

      Strictly speaking that’s not efficiency, but a coefficient of performance.

      And funny enough the work energy doesn’t even have to be electricity. It’s actually mechanical energy, that is required and you could even power a heat pump with a steam or diesel engine.

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          No, but you can use some forms of “light” to heat things

          If you want confusing specifics, light has negative absolute temperature

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            Yeah, that is a bit confusing, i never thought about light being an example of one of those systems. Edit: looks like this applies only to laser light because light has a temperature of an emitting body, and lazing body has negative temperature

            my short interpretation would be like this

            A system with negative thermodynamic temperature is hotter than any system with a positive temperature. If a negative-temperature system and a positive-temperature system come in contact, heat will flow from the negative- to the positive-temperature system.

            This situation occurs because temperature is not really a measure of speed of particles, but rather a measure of entropy, and for ordinary objects entropy can increase infinitely, increasing temperature too. For systems with capped amount of states entropy reduces when energy is added, and that is negative thermodynamic temperature.

            So negative temperature is more energetic than positive, and because of that it heats up positive temperature object when in contact.

            Light kinda does that, but I am not sure I can come up with an explanation of how to measure its temperature and if it fits the definition

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      14 hours ago

      Resistive heaters still suck though

      • Resistive heaters are much more portable and flexible. (edit: and quiet)
      • Resistive heaters are a viable backup when heat pumps fail in extremely cold weather.
      • Resistive heaters are less money upfront for if you only have to use them occasionally.

      One is not directly beneath the other. Both have their place.

      • AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        14 hours ago

        Fair enough, do we need to extend this heater solidarity to combustibles as well?

        I mean technically they’re infinitely electrically efficient if you don’t use electricity to start them lol