• yesman@lemmy.world
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    Just some context: Ancient Aliens is racist. It’s roots are literally Nazi.

    You see, it’s only achievements in brown countries that need alien help. The Greeks didn’t need ET for the Colosseum, heavens no. We just scratch our head at Africans or Americans building pyramids and stuff.

    In the 30s, Nazi “researchers” believed in something I’ll call “Ancient Aryans” which is exactly the same as Ancient Aliens except it’s pure Germans who are visiting these primitive cultures and raising architecture. What happened to the Germans? They were annihilated by in-breeding with locals of course.

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      Aryan ≠ German. Aryan would be closer to modern day Afghan, Pakistani, or maybe Ukrainian? Aryans were from the grasslands east of the urals.

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      The Greeks didn’t need ET for the Colosseum

      Just to be pedantic, the Romans built the Colosseum. While they did cosplay as Greeks, they weren’t actually Greeks themzelves

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        To be further pedantic, the Greeks started calling themselves the Romioi in late antiquity, so some Greeks were in fact Romans, but not all Romans were Greek.

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      Yeah Ancient Aliens has always been real weird, and I’m gonna be honest I’ve never heard of the Ancient Aryans thing so… yeah the similarities are weird for sure. Few things to note.

      The Parthenon is Greek, the Romans built the coliseum — also, the Native Americans didn’t have a unified name for the Americas. If it makes you feel better you can say indigenous people of the American continents, or even Indigenous Americans, but calling them strictly American is genuinely awful.

      My mom was born in Keams Canyon, and I’ve visited. If you went there calling the people there Americans they would not appreciate it. They’re Hopi, or maybe Navajo.

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        Amerigo Vespucci was a genocide collaborator, in case anyone’s wondering why it would be awful to call the indigenous people of the continents of the western hemisphere “Americans”

        it’s referring to a people using the language of their oppressor. each indigenous group has their own signifier like “First Nation People,” “Indigenous American,” “Native American,” or “American Indian.” you’re going to have to make a choice about how to refer to people, but as @Jax@sh.itjust.works said, about the only wrong answer is “American”

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      Even if Nazis believed in Ancient Aliens as some sort of weird ubermensch theory, that doesn’t make the idea itself racist at all.

      People are fascinated by aliens. Before aliens people tended to attribute giant structures to gods and spirits when they lost the historical records. You don’t need racism to believe in crazy fantasy ideas, you just need to be a bit too credulous.

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        I hate “ubermensch” theory because it puts Nietzsche in a negative light when he wasn’t an antisemite.