This isn’t actually about hentai, hexbear just has a substantial portion of users opposed to all anime girls because they are misogynists and hate autistic people and anybody that has ever had the tiniest bit of sex in their life.
hexbear just has a substantial portion of users opposed to swastikas because they are bigoted towars hindus and hate autistic people
the reason some people oppose anime is, on the one hand, that it has been used by the reactionary japanese government to polish up its image and divert attention from its historical crimes, and, on the other hand, that some of these media unfortunately contain frankly repugnant amounts of misogynistic content, ranging from “mere” objectification of women to apologia of pedophilia and similar.
while i personaly believe that opposing an entire artform due to certain problematic works in the genre is a little silly indeed, accusing people of ableism and misogyny over what amounts to a very understandable, if imho wrong, position is much worse. especially given how much of this sites community is non-male and neurodivergent itself.
Downplaying the pervasive misogyny and ableism on hexbear is not something i will engage in. Stop patronizing me, stop talking down to me like this, stop telling trans women when we have a right to feel discriminated. I have had several instances of men on this site being openly (trans)misogynist and lesbophobic towards me, which unfortunately is something that happens without exception in every public space that men are present in, and yes, that absolutely does include leftist spaces. To think hexbear is magically exempt because there are trans people on this site is not only ridiculous and disingenuous, it betrays your complete lack of understanding of how pervasive patriarchal control mechanisms are in our society. Most transfeminized people on here that i’ve talked to about this agree with my assessment, we constantly have especially autistic comrades complaining about the site’s autism problem as well. Yet you claim to understand our struggle better than we do.
im autistic myself and know about the ableism problem on this site, thank you very much. before accusing others of patronizing and going on to point out the speck in your neighbour’s eye, consider asking yourself if you failed to notice the log in your own eye?
if my comment came across as offensive or condescending, that was not my intention, and i apologize. my intention was to point out that your statement is doing more harm than good! by linking these issues to things that have little or nothing to do with them, you inadvertently end up downplaying or even legitimizing them. nothing good has ever been achieved this way.
apparently i’ve worded things poorly, since i never said that you need to shut up about misogyny!
all i tried to say was that your statement seems to mischaracterize many of the people having issues with anime as an art form, and to point out that equating misogyny and other issues with ultimately relatively unimportant differences of opinion risks trivializing them and thus tends to play into the hands of bigots.
nobody should ever shut up about misogyny, but accusing people who dont engage in it is not productive.
No, you have not worded that poorly, your claim in itself is the problem. I will still take the time to explain myself, not only for your sake but also that of others reading the exchange here, but this is getting really draining.
You admitted in your first post that criticizing the entirity of all anime is obviously silly. Given the range of the medium, such a critique will always be a mere knee-jerk reaction that says more about the critic than the medium. In many cases, it is an expression of western chauvinism and anti Asian racism, but that would not be my call to make, so i’m leaving that aside. What i can say is that hexbear, due to its widespread misogyny problem, frequently has an issue with all things perceived as effeminate, saccharine, or frivolous (see also: the reflex to immediately critique not “breadtube’s” widespread liberalism but “lighting and costume changes”, read: the aesthetic being too campy and too influenced by drag / ballroom culture). Anime with its exaggerated cuteness and frilly hyperfemininity fits that description, its many undeniable examples of a problematic portrayal of women and queerness notwithstanding.
So when i see a bunch of bearded brocialists proudly claim that the site is hentai free, in a day and age where reactionaries are openly crusading against NSFW art, where i am constantly seeing the direct pressure that puts on queer artists in my community, i am being uncharitable and will not give these men the benefit of the doubt that they are doing this for the benefit of women. I will instead assume that this is an aesthetic choice that just so happens to align with an aesthetic that caters to the gender conforming cishet male. Just look at who brings this up in this comment chain, there was not a single she / her pronoun to be seen when our exchange started, don’t you wonder why that is? This isn’t these guys’ call to make, just as it isn’t you who should decide who’s in the right here. That’s another issue with the kind of misogyny particular to leftist circles, that leftist men are often very eager to take up claims they perceive to be feminist and then browbeat women who challenge their claims. They are appropriating feminism and push women out of advocating for ourselves. I have seen that over and over again on here (although mostly coming from lemmygrad users) in regards to sex work, but the same pattern is at play here in this very discussion: You think you can explain to me what counts as misogyny when i am subject to it every day. Please stop that and take my concerns seriously instead of making absolutely outrageous statements like “you are trivializing misogyny and play into the hands of the biggots”. You are not the gatekeeper for when misogyny is not-trivial enough to warrant concern.
Yeah, I’ll second this. There are a lot of things you could say about a lot of Anime, though must of them also apply to western cinema too (imperial whitewashing, sexualization of women and girls, etc.), but that’s not really why people oppose it so heavily.
It’s because anime is a medium that, on hexbear anyway, is frequently enjoyed by women, especially trans women.
Plus, looking at a fully clothed cartoon woman and calling her inherently pornographic is… A choice
This kind of image was a pretty common on early anime fansites to indicate that your site didn’t have adult content—don’t think there’s any particular reason she was used (other than the expression, as has already been said), although if it’s authentically from that era, there’s a good chance it was from a Sailor Moon fansite. Here’s the original in context:
This site is hentai free. Don’t like it? Leave.
I don’t care what hentai she’s from I’m just asking the context of the emoji.
This site is hentai free. Don’t like it? Leave.
This isn’t actually about hentai, hexbear just has a substantial portion of users opposed to all anime girls because they are misogynists and hate autistic people and anybody that has ever had the tiniest bit of sex in their life.
the reason some people oppose anime is, on the one hand, that it has been used by the reactionary japanese government to polish up its image and divert attention from its historical crimes, and, on the other hand, that some of these media unfortunately contain frankly repugnant amounts of misogynistic content, ranging from “mere” objectification of women to apologia of pedophilia and similar.
while i personaly believe that opposing an entire artform due to certain problematic works in the genre is a little silly indeed, accusing people of ableism and misogyny over what amounts to a very understandable, if imho wrong, position is much worse. especially given how much of this sites community is non-male and neurodivergent itself.
please consider donating to our palestinian comrades instead, it would be a much better use of your time.
Downplaying the pervasive misogyny and ableism on hexbear is not something i will engage in. Stop patronizing me, stop talking down to me like this, stop telling trans women when we have a right to feel discriminated. I have had several instances of men on this site being openly (trans)misogynist and lesbophobic towards me, which unfortunately is something that happens without exception in every public space that men are present in, and yes, that absolutely does include leftist spaces. To think hexbear is magically exempt because there are trans people on this site is not only ridiculous and disingenuous, it betrays your complete lack of understanding of how pervasive patriarchal control mechanisms are in our society. Most transfeminized people on here that i’ve talked to about this agree with my assessment, we constantly have especially autistic comrades complaining about the site’s autism problem as well. Yet you claim to understand our struggle better than we do.
im autistic myself and know about the ableism problem on this site, thank you very much. before accusing others of patronizing and going on to point out the speck in your neighbour’s eye, consider asking yourself if you failed to notice the log in your own eye?
if my comment came across as offensive or condescending, that was not my intention, and i apologize. my intention was to point out that your statement is doing more harm than good! by linking these issues to things that have little or nothing to do with them, you inadvertently end up downplaying or even legitimizing them. nothing good has ever been achieved this way.
Thanks for the apology, do i get another one for you immediately pivoting back to telling me that i am wrong and need to shut up about misogyny?
apparently i’ve worded things poorly, since i never said that you need to shut up about misogyny!
all i tried to say was that your statement seems to mischaracterize many of the people having issues with anime as an art form, and to point out that equating misogyny and other issues with ultimately relatively unimportant differences of opinion risks trivializing them and thus tends to play into the hands of bigots.
nobody should ever shut up about misogyny, but accusing people who dont engage in it is not productive.
No, you have not worded that poorly, your claim in itself is the problem. I will still take the time to explain myself, not only for your sake but also that of others reading the exchange here, but this is getting really draining.
You admitted in your first post that criticizing the entirity of all anime is obviously silly. Given the range of the medium, such a critique will always be a mere knee-jerk reaction that says more about the critic than the medium. In many cases, it is an expression of western chauvinism and anti Asian racism, but that would not be my call to make, so i’m leaving that aside. What i can say is that hexbear, due to its widespread misogyny problem, frequently has an issue with all things perceived as effeminate, saccharine, or frivolous (see also: the reflex to immediately critique not “breadtube’s” widespread liberalism but “lighting and costume changes”, read: the aesthetic being too campy and too influenced by drag / ballroom culture). Anime with its exaggerated cuteness and frilly hyperfemininity fits that description, its many undeniable examples of a problematic portrayal of women and queerness notwithstanding.
So when i see a bunch of bearded brocialists proudly claim that the site is hentai free, in a day and age where reactionaries are openly crusading against NSFW art, where i am constantly seeing the direct pressure that puts on queer artists in my community, i am being uncharitable and will not give these men the benefit of the doubt that they are doing this for the benefit of women. I will instead assume that this is an aesthetic choice that just so happens to align with an aesthetic that caters to the gender conforming cishet male. Just look at who brings this up in this comment chain, there was not a single she / her pronoun to be seen when our exchange started, don’t you wonder why that is? This isn’t these guys’ call to make, just as it isn’t you who should decide who’s in the right here. That’s another issue with the kind of misogyny particular to leftist circles, that leftist men are often very eager to take up claims they perceive to be feminist and then browbeat women who challenge their claims. They are appropriating feminism and push women out of advocating for ourselves. I have seen that over and over again on here (although mostly coming from lemmygrad users) in regards to sex work, but the same pattern is at play here in this very discussion: You think you can explain to me what counts as misogyny when i am subject to it every day. Please stop that and take my concerns seriously instead of making absolutely outrageous statements like “you are trivializing misogyny and play into the hands of the biggots”. You are not the gatekeeper for when misogyny is not-trivial enough to warrant concern.
Well, that definitely tracks. I should have thought more deeply about the meme.
Yeah, I’ll second this. There are a lot of things you could say about a lot of Anime, though must of them also apply to western cinema too (imperial whitewashing, sexualization of women and girls, etc.), but that’s not really why people oppose it so heavily.
It’s because anime is a medium that, on hexbear anyway, is frequently enjoyed by women, especially trans women.
Plus, looking at a fully clothed cartoon woman and calling her inherently pornographic is… A choice
She’s Makoto Kino / Sailor Jupiter from Sailor Moon.
I feel like this is a dumb question but what is the context for her specifically being used for a hentai meme?
This kind of image was a pretty common on early anime fansites to indicate that your site didn’t have adult content—don’t think there’s any particular reason she was used (other than the expression, as has already been said), although if it’s authentically from that era, there’s a good chance it was from a Sailor Moon fansite. Here’s the original in context:
and here’s an authentic example I saved from a Team Rocket fansite:
I don’t actually know the origin. I think it’s just an easily meme-able look of disapproval from early in the show.