I am sure Otzi expected that when he died his body would decompose and contribute to a natural cycle of metabolic exchange. Being turned into a mummy would have been far weirder and more alien to him than getting munched a bit.
Covid bread making fad is out of control
Personally I think it’s kinda neat to try and recreate food that he might’ve eaten 5k+ years ago but I also like digging around in the dirt for old stuff and trying to figure out how people lived
That’s just being an archaeologist
That is what I’m trying to do lol
I haven’t worked with any archaeologists, but I have worked with a few geologists, and all of them would bring in their favorite rocks and lick them every once and a while.
You can lick test stuff in archaeology as a quick and dirty way to identify bone vs stone but it’s definitely not recommended nowadays, geologists get all the rock licking fun
If you can feel the grains in your mouth, it’s silt. If you can’t, it’s clay.
Nice feet pics
Is it just me or is this the stupidest struggle session on this website. I genuinely can’t tell if you all think this is some grave unethical act or not.
It’s not a struggle sesh until you hit
, before that it’s just a sparkling disagreementIt’s not a struggle session if it doesn’t come from the Strugglenheim region of Germany
I don’t think there’s a struggle session
Well I think there is

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“No reason to do this” yea there was, one of the scientists was obviously a cook and this is the shit cooks do
I don’t understand the reaction people are having to this, this is like pretty fucking cool. And almost entirely disconnected from colonizers historically eating mummys.
You don’t understand why people think it’s weird to eat food from the entrails of human corpses?
I know why people think it’s weird but it’s objectively value neutral
Don’t worry you eat people’s poop all day every day in small quantities
If someone digs me up and starts eating my stomach contents after I die I’ll haunt them for eternity
Hell yeah, ghosts.
This is just an extension of Egyptomania when wealthy British/Americans were eating mummies.
How?
I guess it’s a bit less weird since it’s from the mummy’s gut. But still kind of a weird fetishism of consuming stuff from a mummy. Kind of disrespectful, kinda not, but weird in general.
Mummy? More like yummy
Why do you think they’re so rare? The British ate them all. (I am not joking. This is true.)
they also ate the ground up skulls of Irish people
The British conquered so much of the world they had any food they could imagine to eat and they said, “Actually, I want to try cannibalism.”
Mim mum!
Lmao
The Yummy Returns
The scientific urge to eat ancient human corpses can not be stopped.

this is a free country!
1800 br*tish “people” didn’t have that many scientists
That’s just what “science” is in their culture.

One step removed from actual cannibalism (of which there is also a relatively recent history in regards to mummies).
Was going to say - can anglos NOT eat mummies for five fucking seconds.
I’m curious, how would you feel about humans on a space station or something recycling bodily remains into fertilizer for their farms?
That’d pretty much be the circle of life artificially accelerated out of necessity, I wouldn’t have a problem with it. Here there is no necessity. Studying the type of yeast that is found, sure, but immediately trying to make a product out of it? Of which the only worth will consist in the peculiarity of its conception? That’s like a parody of the capitalist logic of trying to exploit anything and anyone in any way possible! Tho I don’t know whether or not they intend to sell the bread, I did see they intend to make Ötzi beer next ! Idk, that just seems somewhat disrespectful to me.
I doubt it’s being turned into a product per se. This is just a piece of experimental archaeology. Knowing what ancient bread may have tasted like does give us some kind of insight into the deep past (although I’m skeptical of just how much). Not… Entirely sure how I feel about it, personally.
While I can see how the similarity to wealthy Europeans eating bits of Egyptian mummies makes people uncomfortable, it’s a pretty superficial similarity. They didn’t just scoop bits of Ötzi out and use it to leaven bread, there’s a whole microbiome on Ötzi that would make that unsafe. They cultured specific yeasts, and grew fresh samples. Ötzi’s still in the general area where he lived, he was found in the alps and his remains are in Italy. His discovery and recovery were to my knowledge celebrated at the time, including in his homeland, and have continued to be celebrated. His remains weren’t stolen.
This is very, very different from stealing Egyptian mummies from a colonised Egypt, without the consent of the Egyptian people, shipping them halfway around the world, and grinding them up to eat, because you guess that the remains of the mystical, exotic people probably have magic properties.
I wouldn’t assume it to be intended to sell. Part of the yeast being out of circulation for so long means it’s different from any yeasts in the world right now, by nature of not being subject to background mutation and evolving alongside us.
How well does it consume modern sugars compared to modern yeast strains? How does it handle the process of baking sourdough as we know it?
Multiple bits of useful information to be gleaned. How do it’s genotypical differences from modern strains actually impact it’s physical reality? Useful correlation to modern yeast as one maps it’s genome. If it doesn’t react the same way, can you alter the process to make something that still works? If not, did ancient bread just kinda suck? If so, did ancient people have that different process? Regardless of yes or no, then we might get a better lens through which to analyze our current understandings.
If it did have a different set of requirements for baking, one can suspect those same genetic variations may serve as levers by which evolution might impact modern strains. Given our rapidly changing climate, understanding how alterations to yeasts genome impact it is again, potentially very useful even if only as a reference.
Beyond what we can glean about it this particular strain, why not? Worst case, taste tester dies, as they feared recreated mammoth meat might trigger an allergic reaction to something humanity haven’t been exposed to recently. I doubt they did this for free with random volunteers signing wavers. I’d suspect it was a very informed research member trying it after proposing the idea.
Not sure if you know many scientists. This isn’t even top 10 on the “of course you tried that” list. Being passionate about learning new things and trying new things with what you’ve just learned is super common. Know how many Conservation and Wildlife folk I know have tried the local fauna as roadkill? Right of passage for local branch of the State Conservation team. BBQ raccoon isn’t half bad. How many in Plant Science grow illegal or poisonous flora because “just look at this cute lil guy” How many engineers I know will use home projects based on their skill set to do something wildly overkill because “I bet that’d work and I already have the laser”
those astronauts can consent to having their remains used? like the difference between harvesting a dead person for organs and a person being a donor.
okay
I personally don’t care if someone eats me.
In fact, I preemptively consent to let any fellow Hexbears to dig in if we ever get stranded on an island or something.
When I die I want my body buried in a bean hole to cook alongside beans and other ingredients.
Whether or not anyone chooses to eat the beans afterwards is entirely up to them.
okay
We plundered a human burial site and violated the sacred traditions of an ancient culture so that we could make yummy treats out of the remains.
Actually he’s an ancient murder victim found in the place where his remains dropped and were left when he got shot 8000 yers ago
Oh, well I guess that guy 8000 years ago really missed out on a golden opportunity for yummy treats. Thank goodness someone more civilized came along. Finders keepers!
that guy 8000 years ago was eating that bread when it was fresh
He dissed Grok one time too many
Didn’t he die crossing a glacier tho?
Both. He was all the way up in the Alps and got shot up there. IDK if he died from the arrow wound or from exposure or a combination of both, but i doubt he would have died on that day if he would not have had the person who shot him on his trail. OFC it’s hard to reconstruct after all this time even when the remains are surprisingly well preserved by the ice.
Also i just looked this up, it was 5300 years ago, not 8000.
I’m more responding to the concept of violating human remains to produce something for human consumption than this specific case which I am unfamiliar with.
In this specific case, the yeasts were discovered while partially thawing the mummy to take tissue samples. It took over three months of cultivating to arrive at something that could actually be used to make sourdough, so these are not yeast bacteria that have ever actually been in Ötzi’s gut themselves. Still feels weird, but i’d say it’s not quite in the same ballpark as British colonizers grinding Egyptian mummies into powder to ingest them as “medicine”.
Interesting, I somehow didn’t realize they were still poking around Ötzi’s remains. Thanks for the info!
i mean, these are not going anywhere, they are in a frozen vault somewhere in a museum in Northern Italy. Every once in a while, somebody comes up with a new article about how they’ve recreated his clothing or his tools or if he had any health conditions or smth like that
This is gonna be how vampires come back
Yeast Vampires
The mark of the yeast
you’ve heard of vaginal yeast culture bread, now there’s ancient mummy yeast culture bread
Soon to be ancient mummy yeast beer!
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