Okay the problem is when you know it’s just going to get hotter on average, it’s already almost hot enough to kill people, and the weather changes frequently and increasingly unpredictably
You people shouldn’t be seeing this as “oh it’s the hot week of summer we just need to be stoic and British about it” and instead see it as “there’s going to be increasing instances of Its So Hot Everybody Is Dying and we should Do Something About That”
Which people? No-one is saying do nothing. It’s not a simple choice of buy AC or do nothing.
Immediately resorting to a ‘solution’ that makes things worse in the short and long term is the kind of selfish and low effort thinking that just turns everything to shit.
No, that’s largely just the strawman that Leeroy was constructing. However, given the choice between enduring some brief discomfort and accelerating a process which is already causing deaths and misery, I’m pretty clear about where I stand.
I was arguing that it’s far too premature for most UK households to be adopting aircon, and expressing a fear that many of those early adopters will start to use it on occasions where it absolutely isn’t warranted, and will skip over other intermediary measures (that don’t increase energy consumption at the worst time.) I’ve seen how the carbrains in the UK operate; this will be no different.
Heat pumps do have a measurable impact on local temperatures and in dense urban environments can raise it by about 4°. When enough people start using it for comfort (instead of necessity), it can have a chain reaction - compelling others to join in out of necessity.
As for my knowledge/ignorance of heat pumps, I believe I’m reasonably well versed in the technology - and a big proponent. Within the last year I wrote a business case and a grant application for a social club to have air-to-air heat pumps installed. I’m currently working to have the space registered as a warm/cool place for the local community.
Okay cool story Im sorry you think “buildings with livable indoor climates” are a selfish boondoggle, i fully expect to read about mass casualty events from the UK and northern france within my lifetime so you do you i guess
It’s not a simple choice of buy AC or do nothing
My perception reading European responses to heat waves for the last decade has been that there’s no coordinated response to do literally anything, other than
“Oh it’s only one or two weeks per year (increasing every year) where the outdoors is literally hell, what could go wrong with doing nothing to address that”
Love the idea of 100F 100% humidity just being “some discomfort” btw, very British
Yeah and I think the dude i just blocked arguing with me about it truly does not understand how bad shit is going to get, they’re in “it’s a luxury” mentality when it’s a fucking fact that if it just gets hotter and hotter year after year you’re going to have to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT OR DIE
Dipshit’s all OHHH SO YOU WANT AC FOR 30 MILLION HOUSEHOLDS like no you fuckass moron, but Europe should at the very least be building community heat shelters or something which ARE air conditioned because AT SOME POINT IT WILL BE NECESSARY OR PEOPLE WILL FUCKING DIE
Sorry to lose it on this comment to you i had to block the guy this was intended for
Okay the problem is when you know it’s just going to get hotter on average, it’s already almost hot enough to kill people, and the weather changes frequently and increasingly unpredictably
You people shouldn’t be seeing this as “oh it’s the hot week of summer we just need to be stoic and British about it” and instead see it as “there’s going to be increasing instances of Its So Hot Everybody Is Dying and we should Do Something About That”
Which people? No-one is saying do nothing. It’s not a simple choice of buy AC or do nothing.
Immediately resorting to a ‘solution’ that makes things worse in the short and long term is the kind of selfish and low effort thinking that just turns everything to shit.
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Are we talking about Cold War political alignment, or something else?
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No, that’s largely just the strawman that Leeroy was constructing. However, given the choice between enduring some brief discomfort and accelerating a process which is already causing deaths and misery, I’m pretty clear about where I stand.
I was arguing that it’s far too premature for most UK households to be adopting aircon, and expressing a fear that many of those early adopters will start to use it on occasions where it absolutely isn’t warranted, and will skip over other intermediary measures (that don’t increase energy consumption at the worst time.) I’ve seen how the carbrains in the UK operate; this will be no different.
Heat pumps do have a measurable impact on local temperatures and in dense urban environments can raise it by about 4°. When enough people start using it for comfort (instead of necessity), it can have a chain reaction - compelling others to join in out of necessity.
As for my knowledge/ignorance of heat pumps, I believe I’m reasonably well versed in the technology - and a big proponent. Within the last year I wrote a business case and a grant application for a social club to have air-to-air heat pumps installed. I’m currently working to have the space registered as a warm/cool place for the local community.
Okay cool story Im sorry you think “buildings with livable indoor climates” are a selfish boondoggle, i fully expect to read about mass casualty events from the UK and northern france within my lifetime so you do you i guess
My perception reading European responses to heat waves for the last decade has been that there’s no coordinated response to do literally anything, other than
“Oh it’s only one or two weeks per year (increasing every year) where the outdoors is literally hell, what could go wrong with doing nothing to address that”
Love the idea of 100F 100% humidity just being “some discomfort” btw, very British
Rooftop solar also does a fair bit to mitigate the damage tbh
But truth be told we are moving into a future where air conditioning is literally lifesaving technology
Yeah and I think the dude i just blocked arguing with me about it truly does not understand how bad shit is going to get, they’re in “it’s a luxury” mentality when it’s a fucking fact that if it just gets hotter and hotter year after year you’re going to have to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT OR DIE
Dipshit’s all OHHH SO YOU WANT AC FOR 30 MILLION HOUSEHOLDS like no you fuckass moron, but Europe should at the very least be building community heat shelters or something which ARE air conditioned because AT SOME POINT IT WILL BE NECESSARY OR PEOPLE WILL FUCKING DIE
Sorry to lose it on this comment to you i had to block the guy this was intended for
I’m sorry you think putting your comfort and convenience over other people’s lives is an acceptable way to live.