The burden of proof is on the claimant. In this case, the claim is that they are neither encrypted nor secure. The claim can be made from both sides but if neither provides proof then we’re all just tinfoil hats.
The original claim is by the websites / services that they ARE encrypted / secure. Why are you conveniently ignoring that they’re not providing any proof for their claims?
Yes, claimant. It doesn’t have to be a court of law for a word to have a meaning. When a person makes a claim, they are a claimant. I’ve always understood this to be plain English. It’s exhausting when everyone wants to make pedantic arguments rather than discuss the topic. Are they encrypted or are they not? Let’s answer the question and then we can have a Socratic debate about it.
It’s exhausting when everyone wants to make pedantic arguments rather than discuss the topic.
Yeah, absolutely. Like being pedantic about burden of proof, when the topic is actually privacy where the default position is zero trust and it is always on the person claiming to offer privacy or security to prove that they can be trusted.
But sure, let’s treat it philosophically instead of practically:
Are they encrypted or are they not? Let’s answer the question and then we can have a Socratic debate about it.
They claim to be. That makes them the claimant. The burden of proof thus falls on them. So what proof do they offer for their claim?
The person who posted this is claiming they are not. How are people here this stupid? I thought people on Lemmy were the more intelligent bunch. I’m finding otherwise here.
The claim here, yoeard the community is that the app is not encrypted or secured. The claim has no evidence or reasoning beyond “COME ON!” - Neither the app nor its developers came to this community and claimed to be anything. They out up a website where OP finds it and decides they’re lying based on zero technical data or testing. Just the kneejerk opinion of a random Lemmy account.
The surety is that they are not what they claim to be. Ok, then show it. You can’t just make claims you can’t substantiate and then argue when people ask questions. I don’t buy either claim because neither claim has demonstrable evidence.
People are arguing with me over pointing out the fact that this person does not know what they claim to be true. They belive it to be so. What have we learned from the religious right? Belief without evidence negates clarity in understanding.
I came to Lemmy to get away from the Reddit blowhards. It seems hysteria is the mode of discussion no matter the platform.
My and i assume any software aware persons general assumption for a computer system is that it is insecure until proven otherwise. But even disregarding the whole open source thing, if they dont make you set your own encryption key, then it most likely wont be securely encrypted or they will just also have the key because they generated it for you in the background.
I checked it. The image is definitely sent to the server. The OCR does not run on the client side and it’s impossible to know what the server does with the image.
but also this is an online service for something most computers have been able to do locally out of the box for like 15 years, and it hasn’t been updated since 2023. it’s an obvious red flag even without being unsafe.
How do you know they aren’t?
Am I in the wrong community here?
Burden of proof is always on the service to demonstrate that they are private.
The burden of proof is on the claimant. In this case, the claim is that they are neither encrypted nor secure. The claim can be made from both sides but if neither provides proof then we’re all just tinfoil hats.
The website is the claimant in this case. They are claiming they are secure, which is what OP is sceptical of.
And what of the claims made in this post? Just blindly go with it?
the argument of this post is to not go blindly trusting something lol
The original claim is by the websites / services that they ARE encrypted / secure. Why are you conveniently ignoring that they’re not providing any proof for their claims?
Claimant? This isn’t some Socratic debate or court of law, it’s privacy 101. It’s the safest position to take if you didn’t know better.
Yes, claimant. It doesn’t have to be a court of law for a word to have a meaning. When a person makes a claim, they are a claimant. I’ve always understood this to be plain English. It’s exhausting when everyone wants to make pedantic arguments rather than discuss the topic. Are they encrypted or are they not? Let’s answer the question and then we can have a Socratic debate about it.
Yeah, absolutely. Like being pedantic about burden of proof, when the topic is actually privacy where the default position is zero trust and it is always on the person claiming to offer privacy or security to prove that they can be trusted.
But sure, let’s treat it philosophically instead of practically:
They claim to be. That makes them the claimant. The burden of proof thus falls on them. So what proof do they offer for their claim?
The person who posted this is claiming they are not. How are people here this stupid? I thought people on Lemmy were the more intelligent bunch. I’m finding otherwise here.
If two people make opposing claims, who does the burden of proof lie with?
More particularly, if someone tells me I can trust them, am I supposed to believe that claim without proof?
Please, educate me. If you claim we’re stupid, surely you can prove your superior logic.
The claim here, yoeard the community is that the app is not encrypted or secured. The claim has no evidence or reasoning beyond “COME ON!” - Neither the app nor its developers came to this community and claimed to be anything. They out up a website where OP finds it and decides they’re lying based on zero technical data or testing. Just the kneejerk opinion of a random Lemmy account.
The surety is that they are not what they claim to be. Ok, then show it. You can’t just make claims you can’t substantiate and then argue when people ask questions. I don’t buy either claim because neither claim has demonstrable evidence.
People are arguing with me over pointing out the fact that this person does not know what they claim to be true. They belive it to be so. What have we learned from the religious right? Belief without evidence negates clarity in understanding.
I came to Lemmy to get away from the Reddit blowhards. It seems hysteria is the mode of discussion no matter the platform.
My and i assume any software aware persons general assumption for a computer system is that it is insecure until proven otherwise. But even disregarding the whole open source thing, if they dont make you set your own encryption key, then it most likely wont be securely encrypted or they will just also have the key because they generated it for you in the background.
The site doesn’t show a “Source Code” option. Neither I can find it by search. Try by yourself, it’s here
I checked it. The image is definitely sent to the server. The OCR does not run on the client side and it’s impossible to know what the server does with the image.
If you can’t see it, technically this is a Schrödingers cat problem.
The site is both telling the truth and lying at the same time, in a state of superposition.
Only be observing the code would you fall onto one reality.
Although there are people who can observe the code, which differs from the metaphor slightly.
To torture the metaphor further, would you trust Schrödinger to sell you a cat if it might not be alive when you open the box?
I think one should distrust services that claim to be privacy-respecting without wanting to be opensource. Like, what are they hiding?
I understand the ethos here but you have to appreciate the irony in that statement.
Indeed.
that doesn’t mean they’re not encrypted.
but also this is an online service for something most computers have been able to do locally out of the box for like 15 years, and it hasn’t been updated since 2023. it’s an obvious red flag even without being unsafe.
What does encryption have to do with showing source code?