when watching this with a conscience, it’s impossible not to think of the many Palestinian parents who’ll never see their kids again, and of the many Palestinian kids who’ll never see their parents again.
fuck this scumbag and his ilk. may all zionists die in pain.
this is um. a bit awkward. but i’m fine, just very angry at the people who carry out and support this genocide. what’s worse is i feel powerless to stop them…
I vaguely remember a story about Israeli hostages that escaped from captivity, and the IDF soldiers lit them up. They just love to kill. Women, children. Medics, journalists. Young American activists, flattened with a bulldozer
The hostages were even shirtless, to make sure that the IDF knew they weren’t threats. They can’t even say that they thought the hostages were Hamas; they thought they were Palestinian civilians.
Don’t forget that the IDF literally partially arose from far-right militia, those being Irgun and Lehi.
The pre-IDF forces killed a Dutch Jew (Jacob Israël de Haan) who was critical of Zionism. The perpetator, Tehomi, was left scot-free and was involved in illegal activities. May he rot in the nothingness.
But that said, what this teaches is that it is the more reason to stand unified: whether someone is a Jew or Israeli or not, does not matter: all that matters is that we stand for humanity and criticise hatred together. Is it not then the stronger, when an Israeli does speak out against their own people repressing Palestinians? Should not all be comrades in arms against hatred and discrimination?
Nah I don’t think all Israelis are genocidal maniacs. Just, uhm, remove the the Zionists and that’s it, no need to profile people based on factors they can’t control, which is exactly what the IDF are doing in Palestine.
Nah I don’t think all Israelis are genocidal maniacs
Only 80%+ as per every poll asking their opinion on whether the IDF should continue to commit genocide.
So I guess somewhere between 10 and 20 percent of Israelis AREN’T fucking monsters.
I don’t tend to judge people based on nationality alone (since that’s by definition bigotry in almost all cases)and I don’t agree that they should all DIE, but when you’re part of a population that so overwhelmingly support some of the worst and most thoroughly documented crimes against humanity in history, you’re a monster until you prove otherwise by explicitly opposing it.
you’re right, there’s certainly some people born in israel who are good and resist their government. my comment isn’t aimed at them. and i wish the same suffering onto non-israelis who support and finance this genocide.
i’ve changed my comment to reflect what i mean better
I disagree with the decision of taking the criticism, and not so sure I can even accept it. Mind you my position may be considered extreme.
How do you not blame the populace for the failings of a so-called democracy? Same thing in USA. Sure, not all voters are pro-Trump, but collectively the action or in-action resulted in whatever the fuck we have going on is.
Sure, not all voters are pro-Trump, but collectively the action or in-action resulted in whatever the fuck we have going on is.
Right, why would that justify making the claim that every voter in a “democracy” is a fascist? (I’m aware you already said that not all voters are pro-Trump, but @carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone’s comment said that every Israeli deserves to die, which is the part that I disagreed with) There are certainly good people in every country of the world, and making any kind of generalization that makes it look like the majority’s opinion is the opinion of the entire populace is disingenuous and dangerous.
OK but let’s dig into the semantics of this. Would you offer the same criticism of someone who quipped about “all men being dangerous?” How about “All republicans are fascist?” Surely not all Republicans; hell, George Conway has built a new media career as a non-trump republican. Or can we agree that browbeating people for not accounting for granular differences when discussing broad trends in a casual setting is kinda dickish? Also per jpost 90% of Israelis consider themselves Zionist; I’m sure the 10% aren’t going to quibble at generalizations.
Would you offer the same criticism of someone who quipped about “all men being dangerous?”
Yes, a man didn’t choose to be a man. A republican sure did choose to be a republican, which is a, to put it lightly, dubious choice in this day and age, but I still wouldn’t say all of them are fascist.
Saying that all Israelis should die a painful death is still kinda crazy, and I don’t think it’s “dickish” to point that out.
If you had a building with 1000 evil people, and 1 good person, is it ok to destroy it? I don’t know the answer to that, but I wouldn’t be able to do it personally. Seems like a variant of the trolley problem.
OK but like, I hardly believe any well-meaning Israeli couldn’t tell the difference from your initial statement. The person who incited this response made the exact same argument that assholes make about “not all men”
It doesn’t, but it also doesn’t always mean “people who support genocide” or “people who chose to settle on occupied land”
Obviously it’s still the majority that think it’s okay to just bomb and shoot any Palestinian, rip them from their homes, etc, but about 1 in 5 Israelis don’t support the expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza, and about 1 in 3 disagree that there are no innocents in Gaza. It should terrify us that 4 in 5 and 2 in 3 Israelis agree with these statements, but of course it doesn’t justify killing all of them as the original person stated.
when watching this with a conscience, it’s impossible not to think of the many Palestinian parents who’ll never see their kids again, and of the many Palestinian kids who’ll never see their parents again.
fuck this scumbag and his ilk. may all zionists die in pain.
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this is um. a bit awkward. but i’m fine, just very angry at the people who carry out and support this genocide. what’s worse is i feel powerless to stop them…
i hope you’re going well too 😅
oh yea nonono this is obviously very bad and stuff and bad people doing bad things opposing bad things onto not-bad people, no question.
im doing pretty good, thank u for asking <3
I vaguely remember a story about Israeli hostages that escaped from captivity, and the IDF soldiers lit them up. They just love to kill. Women, children. Medics, journalists. Young American activists, flattened with a bulldozer
The hostages were even shirtless, to make sure that the IDF knew they weren’t threats. They can’t even say that they thought the hostages were Hamas; they thought they were Palestinian civilians.
Don’t forget that the IDF literally partially arose from far-right militia, those being Irgun and Lehi.
The pre-IDF forces killed a Dutch Jew (Jacob Israël de Haan) who was critical of Zionism. The perpetator, Tehomi, was left scot-free and was involved in illegal activities. May he rot in the nothingness.
But that said, what this teaches is that it is the more reason to stand unified: whether someone is a Jew or Israeli or not, does not matter: all that matters is that we stand for humanity and criticise hatred together. Is it not then the stronger, when an Israeli does speak out against their own people repressing Palestinians? Should not all be comrades in arms against hatred and discrimination?
Nah I don’t think all Israelis are genocidal maniacs. Just, uhm, remove the the Zionists and that’s it, no need to profile people based on factors they can’t control, which is exactly what the IDF are doing in Palestine.
Only 80%+ as per every poll asking their opinion on whether the IDF should continue to commit genocide.
So I guess somewhere between 10 and 20 percent of Israelis AREN’T fucking monsters.
I don’t tend to judge people based on nationality alone (since that’s by definition bigotry in almost all cases)and I don’t agree that they should all DIE, but when you’re part of a population that so overwhelmingly support some of the worst and most thoroughly documented crimes against humanity in history, you’re a monster until you prove otherwise by explicitly opposing it.
you’re right, there’s certainly some people born in israel who are good and resist their government. my comment isn’t aimed at them. and i wish the same suffering onto non-israelis who support and finance this genocide.
i’ve changed my comment to reflect what i mean better
Wow, a person accepting criticism and changing their ways. Truly a breath of fresh air in the toxic shithole most of the internet is.
I disagree with the decision of taking the criticism, and not so sure I can even accept it. Mind you my position may be considered extreme.
How do you not blame the populace for the failings of a so-called democracy? Same thing in USA. Sure, not all voters are pro-Trump, but collectively the action or in-action resulted in whatever the fuck we have going on is.
Right, why would that justify making the claim that every voter in a “democracy” is a fascist? (I’m aware you already said that not all voters are pro-Trump, but @carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone’s comment said that every Israeli deserves to die, which is the part that I disagreed with) There are certainly good people in every country of the world, and making any kind of generalization that makes it look like the majority’s opinion is the opinion of the entire populace is disingenuous and dangerous.
Point taken. Thank you for explaining.
OK but let’s dig into the semantics of this. Would you offer the same criticism of someone who quipped about “all men being dangerous?” How about “All republicans are fascist?” Surely not all Republicans; hell, George Conway has built a new media career as a non-trump republican. Or can we agree that browbeating people for not accounting for granular differences when discussing broad trends in a casual setting is kinda dickish? Also per jpost 90% of Israelis consider themselves Zionist; I’m sure the 10% aren’t going to quibble at generalizations.
Yes, a man didn’t choose to be a man. A republican sure did choose to be a republican, which is a, to put it lightly, dubious choice in this day and age, but I still wouldn’t say all of them are fascist.
Saying that all Israelis should die a painful death is still kinda crazy, and I don’t think it’s “dickish” to point that out.
If you had a building with 1000 evil people, and 1 good person, is it ok to destroy it? I don’t know the answer to that, but I wouldn’t be able to do it personally. Seems like a variant of the trolley problem.
OK but like, I hardly believe any well-meaning Israeli couldn’t tell the difference from your initial statement. The person who incited this response made the exact same argument that assholes make about “not all men”
true but it still felt necessary to clarify. i don’t want to be accused of advocating for genocide either, like what someone else implied.
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isn’t that a repeat of the Holocaust though? that’s fighting fire with fire…
No it’d be a repeat of any genocide. “Isreali” doesn’t mean Jew BTW.
It doesn’t, but it also doesn’t always mean “people who support genocide” or “people who chose to settle on occupied land”
Obviously it’s still the majority that think it’s okay to just bomb and shoot any Palestinian, rip them from their homes, etc, but about 1 in 5 Israelis don’t support the expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza, and about 1 in 3 disagree that there are no innocents in Gaza. It should terrify us that 4 in 5 and 2 in 3 Israelis agree with these statements, but of course it doesn’t justify killing all of them as the original person stated.
preferring all those who support the genocide and increasing reactionarism to face consequences.