• FatherPeanut@pawb.social
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    Y’know, its a weird quirk I’ve noticed, how little I see actual IDF soldiers on video or photo, despite hearing of them all the time. Like full transparency, this is probably the first time I’ve ever seen one without combat gear on, or at home, or anywhere that isn’t just some candid photo in a former battlefield. Even then, I’ve only seen a handful.

    Okay, editing right after posting, it honestly seems this way for pretty much all of Israel. The only actual visual I’ve seen much of in the news are photos of Netanyahu and the one video where Israel gets hit with an Iranian missile. Even looking up info on Israel seems to prompt a distinct lack of visual insight of anything about the country, much less the people within.

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      They execute anyone pointing camera at them on sight. They killed 129 press members in 2025 alone.

      At the same time Israel has mandatory military service. If you seen Israelis somewhere you’ve seen IDF.

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      Israel does compulsory service. All of their citizens over the age of 18 are soldiers or vets unless they were concientious objectors; in which case they go to israeli prison. This is one of the ways they manufacture consent when talking about retaliation against them.

    • 🍉 DrRedOctopus 🐙🍉@lemmy.world
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      there’s a reason.

      I speak Hebrew and I watched short form videos made by Israelis.

      there’s some activists fighting apartheid. but the majority of Israelis are so openly genocidal the west would turn against Israel in a heartbeat if they saw that.

      that’s why they don’t show you that.

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        It’s shocking to hear interviews with people on the streets. With most countries it seems that there is some separation between the actions of the state and general consensus amongst the people. But with Israelis it seems they mostly gleefully celebrate the genocide, and it seems like they genuinely enjoy coming up with ideas to torture and murder Palestinians, Arabs, and Muslims.

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          82% was in favour of ethnically cleansing Gaza. Instead of addressing the sources of all problems: the institutional apartheid and heavy military censorship as well educational indoctrination.

          Israel is not a democracy, no matter how many may attempt to tell that — because not everyone living there can partially participate without:

          • fearing being killed everyday
          • being subject to severe and rigid checks by police that aren’t even their own, in their own country. ACAB, but cops you can’t even halfassedly trust are worse.
          • worse access to healthcare due to racism
          • roads and public transit being segregated and the Palestinian ones often having long detours
          • risking their own stores and houses being bulldozed, put on fire, or being shot at by imperialist colonists
          • education being chauvinist: people are taught to love the land they stole from Palestinians and to hate the people they stole land from
          • no Right to Return while “aliyah” which is the same, is allowed
          • fascists being supported and allowed to kill dissidents

          The list goes on. It’s pointless to hate one people; but it has a point to criticise the institutionalised hatred, the system behind this apartheid.

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            By those criteria, many western countries only became democracies in the mid-20th century. Insititutional discrimination and disenfranchisement of groups is common in what is commonly called “democracies”.

            From ancient Athens to western countries without women’s suffrage, even up to pre-civil rights USA, “democracy” has rarely required the fair and equal participation of all citizens, and only radical leftists take it to require fair and equal participation of all residents.

            Israel is not special. They are a forward base of white supremacy. Look at any predominantly white nation and how xenophobic they get because some of the organised crime is done by brown people now. Put any western European nation under the same kinds of pressures as Israel and they’d fire up the gas chambers.

            I say this not to excuse genocide or discrimination, but to advise you to pull the weed out by the root. Israel is a liberal democracy just like your country, and what does that say about your country?

            • 🍉 DrRedOctopus 🐙🍉@lemmy.world
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              “liberal democracy just like your own”

              in no shape or form is Israel a democracy.

              the head of state is above the supreme court, half the population in the territory they claim (Google Israel map in Hebrew), and is currently conducting a literal holocaust.

              It’s not and never was a democracy.

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                If you think that’s bad, you should see the UK in 1943. Or France in 1930. Or the US in 1850. Or the Netherlands in 1947. Or ancient Athens in 420 BCE.

                Democracies have regularly committed genocide of non-citizen subjects who made up a majority of the territory they claim.

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                  So you’re saying that Israel is a backwards country stuck in the barbaric past? Because yeah, it is.

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                    Look at the right wing of your country and tell me again if it’s in the past.

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                  You think all those other places are crazy? You should check out what Israel is doing RIGHT NOW.

                  Gold level mental gymnastics, tho. German judge loved the dismount!

                  • 🍉 DrRedOctopus 🐙🍉@lemmy.world
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                    yhea, those arguments are bullshit.

                    If we were talking about some issues with democracies, yhea, that would be a valid conversations, but this is some bullshit progenicidal whataboutism

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                  again, half the population aren’t considered people. and are currently being genicided

                  same level of democracy as Nazi Germany

                  would you call Nazi Germany a liberal democracy?

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                    Any country that gives its Übermenschen fair elections is a democracy. The 19th century USA, 20th century South Africa, and yes, 21st century Israel.

                    Nazi Germany did not give its Übermenschen elections, so it was not a democracy.

                    If you want a good government that doesn’t genocide disenfranchised minorities, you have to aim higher than just being a democracy.