• plyth@feddit.org
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      Sorry but that’s propaganda. Even Trump will be reasonable when the cameras are off.

      But even if Russians are pure emotional irrationality, they still have to obey physiks and have to handle Nato or EU explosives. They can’t protect their refineries. How should they protect a fleet in the baltic sea when Nato controls all shores and the entrance and Nato has three times more submarines there?

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        Trump, reasonable? Have you not heard any of the stuff that was leaked by his white house staffers?

        Attacking Ukraine itself was not a reasonable decision and as you say: they are currently loosing that war. So likely losing a war seems not be a factor that stops the Russian government from its decision if they are high enough on their own fumes.

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            China has said that they cannot afford Russia to lose.

            I fail to see why that would be the case. I feel they would actually benefit from a beaten and isolated Russia.

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              It all depends on how the West reacts to China taking over all markets. Are we going to accept the challenge and improve our products or are we going to restrict Chinese trade militarily?

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            While it certainly could be that the people surrounding him do apply the madman theory at times, his behaviour can be pretty well explained by narcissism and dementia alone. It’s not like Trump is a particular smart individual with long term planning. He is as stupid as he appears, the problem is just that apparently that’s exactly on the level of a third of the USA population.

            And regarding Chinese support: that applies to your own doubts in your earlier comment regarding supply lines as well. So either you think China is supporting Russia no matter what or you don’t. But please stop jumping around.

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              can be pretty well explained by narcissism and dementia

              It can, but we are talking about the billionaires being so stupid to accept Trump a second time to destroy the reputation of the US and their source of power.

              Take the ballroom. It’s a secure datacenter, but everybody keeps calling it the ballroom.

              The media plays along, which means that it is all deception.

              And regarding Chinese support: that applies to your own doubts in your earlier comment regarding supply lines as well. So either you think China is supporting Russia no matter what or you don’t.

              What’s the contradiction? That China can’t supply Russia because it is too far away?

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                The beginning of this comment line was you saying

                With which fleet should they be able to conquer it? How can they maintain a supply line to hold it?

                If I might remind you of your own words.

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                  I am still not sure what the contradiction is. Do you mean that China cannot supply Russia because the Ukraine front is as far away from China as Gotland is from Russia?

                  That’s a problem. I think even the northern route doesn’t help because the US can close the Bering Strait.

                  But they don’t need ships. They can use rail. The big problem for the West is that they can’t control the center of the Asian continent with ships. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Geographical_Pivot_of_History

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                    No goddammit.

                    I mean that first YOU say that Russia can’t attack because of missing logistics and now YOU say China will support them no matter what.

                    They contradict each other. Because either Russia isn’t a danger, because it doesnt have the resources, or it is a danger due to chinese supporting those ressources.

                    Choose a lane!