For a total of 1150 calories. You’ll need to be pretty active for a 5 lbs loss but you’d definitely lose some weight on this diet. Now I do not envy the heinous shits a diet of pure protein, coffee, and white wine will give you
Is that true? It wouldn’t surprise me. When I was competing in that weight category sport I had a very skewed view of what I considered overweight (for me).
99% of the population would have considered me lean as fuck when I thought otherwise.
Unironically yeah. There’s more ways for a girl to pick up a restrictive eating disorder (family pressure, wider social pressure, more sports that care about weight like gymnastics and dance) but men can absolutely still get one and this is the most common way. And I really should have specified restrictive because binge eating disorder is pretty common in both sexes. Although orthorexia is also kinda coming into vogue for both sexes.
Imo weight class should be determined by an average of a bunch of weigh-ins for weeks or months before an event. Then, on the day of the event, allow some tolerance over the max weight but only if the average stays under. If the average creeps up into the tolerance zone, then they go up a weight class. Make the weight classes based on healthy habits rather than basically cheating in an unhealthy way to make weight a day before, then bulking back up to whatever weight for the actual fight.
Not that I have any stake in any of that, so my say isn’t really relevant.
There’s no good solution IMO. There’s a way to game everything. Ultimately it boils down to: You don’t want hefty people fighting little people. A 24 hour weigh in causes a small number of folks to go to extremes and a weigh in just before fighting could have someone fighting dehydrated.
Nearly everyone runs a 6 or 8 week run up to a fight where they’re constantly losing weight. For me it was pure numbers. e.g. I’m 7KG over fighting weight with 6 weeks to go. It’s a 1000 calorie a day deficit with maintenance days here and there and shift 2 - 2.5 by making weight.
You’ve 24 hours to rehydrate and it’s enough IMO.
The trouble comes when you’ve lads trying to shift 5KG in 48 hours. It causes death. Maybe a weigh in 3 days out then another with 24 hours to go would work. Tough nut to crack though.
Though trying to fight dehydrated is a much bigger mistake than dehydrating yourself for a weigh in and photo op, which might discourage some from doing it if they are going to lose anyways. But there will absolutely be some that will try anyways. I’d say they could watch for those and ban them from whatever league it is, though I have a feeling it’s more likely to go in the hunger games/squid games direction than safer with the current political climate.
And your brain won’t work because it requires at least 110 grams of carbs to function normally. Then you might start saying things like “if you’re only eating protein you don’t need fibre”
Fair enough, that being said, eating exclusively protein is still likely to result in death from nutrient deficiency, kidney overload, protein poisoning, the list goes on.
The avg person expending 2000 Calories a day means an ~850 Calorie deficit. 2550 deficit over the course of 3days. That allows about 3lbs of muscle (700C) loss or almost 1lb of fat (3000-3500C)loss.
Up the calories expended via being active and you could reach the 5lb goal. With such severe caloric deficit nost of the weight loss would be muscle unfortunately.
If caloric intake was higher sure. Muscle breakdown is easier than fat so is a prime target in starvation diets to get energy. Results in long-lasting problems for people who have experienced famine or eating disorders. More moderate caloric deficits are healthier for a reason but obviously takes longer to lose weight.
There’s a lot of variability in nutrition that can impact things but generally protein in the diet helps maintain and grow muscle but doesn’t affect that when your body is starving for energy muscle tends to go more than fat.
Nutritional fads including the current lots of protein one are likely bunk or only for certain lifestyles.
It is complex, precise dietary requirements vary person to person (even mouse to mouse but less for lab strains). As a generality women have lower caloric requirements, men higher. Age, height, weight, activity level, genetics, etc all have impacts.
The timeline of caloric restriction matters. Muscle breakdown occurs first because muscles store glycogen which is a much faster energy source than fat. Fat breakdown can go on for longer as it has a higher density of energy. Simple short-term reduction in calories thus results in muscle before fat. Higher protein intake mitigates or prevents muscle loss in longer-term diets compared to lower protein intake as the muscle cells are used to process/use the protein. Exercise is the best at keeping or growing muscle as it turns them from energy providers to energy users.
Resistance training. When on a calorie deficit while doing weight training, you will lose less muscle. You’ll still lose some, but your body will try to rebuild the muscle using proteins and stored nutrients.
1 bottle of white ~ 600 calories
3 hard boiled eggs - 225 calories
5 oz steak ~ 325 calories
For a total of 1150 calories. You’ll need to be pretty active for a 5 lbs loss but you’d definitely lose some weight on this diet. Now I do not envy the heinous shits a diet of pure protein, coffee, and white wine will give you
Mostly of the weight loss would be water.
No carbs plus alcohol and coffee is just diuretics
Plus anything that was in your intestines / bowels. There’s no fibre in there at all.
I used to have to “make weight” and water and empty intestines are the short version of how it’s done.
Oh hey that’s the main way men get eating disorders!
Is that true? It wouldn’t surprise me. When I was competing in that weight category sport I had a very skewed view of what I considered overweight (for me).
99% of the population would have considered me lean as fuck when I thought otherwise.
Unironically yeah. There’s more ways for a girl to pick up a restrictive eating disorder (family pressure, wider social pressure, more sports that care about weight like gymnastics and dance) but men can absolutely still get one and this is the most common way. And I really should have specified restrictive because binge eating disorder is pretty common in both sexes. Although orthorexia is also kinda coming into vogue for both sexes.
I was going to say, sounds like the shit the wrestlers used to do back in high school. Always seemed wildly unhealthy.
Imo weight class should be determined by an average of a bunch of weigh-ins for weeks or months before an event. Then, on the day of the event, allow some tolerance over the max weight but only if the average stays under. If the average creeps up into the tolerance zone, then they go up a weight class. Make the weight classes based on healthy habits rather than basically cheating in an unhealthy way to make weight a day before, then bulking back up to whatever weight for the actual fight.
Not that I have any stake in any of that, so my say isn’t really relevant.
There’s no good solution IMO. There’s a way to game everything. Ultimately it boils down to: You don’t want hefty people fighting little people. A 24 hour weigh in causes a small number of folks to go to extremes and a weigh in just before fighting could have someone fighting dehydrated.
Nearly everyone runs a 6 or 8 week run up to a fight where they’re constantly losing weight. For me it was pure numbers. e.g. I’m 7KG over fighting weight with 6 weeks to go. It’s a 1000 calorie a day deficit with maintenance days here and there and shift 2 - 2.5 by making weight.
You’ve 24 hours to rehydrate and it’s enough IMO.
The trouble comes when you’ve lads trying to shift 5KG in 48 hours. It causes death. Maybe a weigh in 3 days out then another with 24 hours to go would work. Tough nut to crack though.
How about not damaging children’s bodies for meaningless high school sports?
Though trying to fight dehydrated is a much bigger mistake than dehydrating yourself for a weigh in and photo op, which might discourage some from doing it if they are going to lose anyways. But there will absolutely be some that will try anyways. I’d say they could watch for those and ban them from whatever league it is, though I have a feeling it’s more likely to go in the hunger games/squid games direction than safer with the current political climate.
Sounds conplicated, how about we just try more runnin’ in a trash bag.
If you’re only eating protein you don’t need fiber.
And your brain won’t work because it requires at least 110 grams of carbs to function normally. Then you might start saying things like “if you’re only eating protein you don’t need fibre”
Gluconeogenesis is a thing. So while correct, it doesn’t have to be dietary carbs.
Fair enough, that being said, eating exclusively protein is still likely to result in death from nutrient deficiency, kidney overload, protein poisoning, the list goes on.
But thats not as funny.
All those negatives notwithstanding, you still don’t need fiber in your diet if you’re only eating protein.
I mean if you just eat steak and eggs you’re not going to shit. As I said earlier it was a tactic we used for making weight.
Not shitting is a great way to get colon cancer.
Though a fruit only diet, that’s funny.
Oh god your poor anal tract.
Why?
If you lose more than water weight in 3 days, it’s probably due to traumatic illness or amputation.
Or a change in plans for space flight!
The avg person expending 2000 Calories a day means an ~850 Calorie deficit. 2550 deficit over the course of 3days. That allows about 3lbs of muscle (700C) loss or almost 1lb of fat (3000-3500C)loss.
Up the calories expended via being active and you could reach the 5lb goal. With such severe caloric deficit nost of the weight loss would be muscle unfortunately.
Isn’t there enough protein in that diet to maintain the muscle?
If caloric intake was higher sure. Muscle breakdown is easier than fat so is a prime target in starvation diets to get energy. Results in long-lasting problems for people who have experienced famine or eating disorders. More moderate caloric deficits are healthier for a reason but obviously takes longer to lose weight.
There’s a lot of variability in nutrition that can impact things but generally protein in the diet helps maintain and grow muscle but doesn’t affect that when your body is starving for energy muscle tends to go more than fat.
Nutritional fads including the current lots of protein one are likely bunk or only for certain lifestyles.
I’m not familiar with this so am interested; presumably there’s a calorie deficit where more fat is consumed than muscle? Where does it switch?
It is complex, precise dietary requirements vary person to person (even mouse to mouse but less for lab strains). As a generality women have lower caloric requirements, men higher. Age, height, weight, activity level, genetics, etc all have impacts.
The timeline of caloric restriction matters. Muscle breakdown occurs first because muscles store glycogen which is a much faster energy source than fat. Fat breakdown can go on for longer as it has a higher density of energy. Simple short-term reduction in calories thus results in muscle before fat. Higher protein intake mitigates or prevents muscle loss in longer-term diets compared to lower protein intake as the muscle cells are used to process/use the protein. Exercise is the best at keeping or growing muscle as it turns them from energy providers to energy users.
Resistance training. When on a calorie deficit while doing weight training, you will lose less muscle. You’ll still lose some, but your body will try to rebuild the muscle using proteins and stored nutrients.
Well you’re clearly not sleeping
Depending where you start it would probably keep up a 2 to 3 pound a week loss until you get down to around 120lbs, then it would slow down.