I’ve owned two of them since 2017. both run great. the only one that’s been to the shop ever was when my wife pulled into the garage with the door open.
I’ve rotated the tires, put air in them occasionally, topped up the washer fluid a few times, and washed/vacuumed. that’s it for maintenance.
they’re not for everybody. lots of people don’t have a good charging setup at home. people that need to drive a couple hundred miles every day aren’t a good candidate. you don’t want to tow anything regularly with these vehicles.
but there’s plenty of market for people who drive less than 50 miles a day who can charge at home or at work and these cars are practically no compromise at all.
I think counting on stable oil prices going forward has always been a bad bet.
You don’t keep it for 10 years, duh. You sell it at 7 years at most. When the battery and powertrain warranty is still intact.
Normally I get really smug about how much cheaper it is to run an old shitbox compared to a brand new car (particularly an EV, they depreciate hard), but this week I’m gonna be quiet on that front because I’ve spent all week elbows deep in the engine bay fixing an oil leak I’ve had since I got the piece of shit as a “while I’m in there” repair which every shitbox Audi owner can probably relate to, particularly those with a V shaped engine.
EVs have been on the US market for 14 years and barely penetrated 7% market share. Tesla has killed half its models. Most US EV startups have gone broke.
Lemmy wants Japan to make cars no one is buying. These Japanese car companies are not funded by a cult in a Ponzi scheme, they actually have to sell cars to stay afloat.
Making a bunch of cars no one will buy I guess makes people feel better.
I know people in this industry, and they know designing cars based on internet comments is a disaster. They know to stay afloat you need to make what people buy, not fantasy cars labelled “green”.
Ford sold 823,000 F150s in 2025, up 8%. EV sales actually declined 2% in the same period.
Your numbers are mostly right but your conclusion doesn’t follow.
The 2% decline is due to a subsidy cliff. Q3 2025 was an all-time record 10.5% EV share, Q4 fell to 5.7% because the federal credit died September 30. Full year was still 7.8% and the second-best on record.
“823,000 F150s” is the F-Series, Super Duty and fleet included, not just one model. Through June 2026 it’s down ~13% YoY. By your own logic the F-Series is collapsing. Is it? (Ford Lightening is a great truck btw).
Japan doesn’t just sell cars in the US. It sells cars around the world. Chinese automakers outsold Japanese automakers globally in 2025, roughly 27M to 25M, the first time Japan lost the top spot since 2000. Japanese brands’ share in China fell from ~23% to under 10%. Honda China down 24% in 2025 alone. Nissan down ~60% from its 2018 peak, four straight loss quarters, 20,000 jobs cut. Toyota posted its first North American operating loss since 2008.
You said it yourself: they actually have to sell cars to stay afloat. They’re not staying afloat. Not because of internet comments, because BYD wrecked them in the largest auto market on the planet while they were explaining why EVs wouldn’t work.
Tesla killed S and X because the 3 and Y ate them and Musk says he wants a factory for moronic robots. Tesla still took 46% of a 1.3M-unit US EV market. That’s a product decision, not a demand verdict.
And yes, most US EV startups went broke. About 1,900 American car companies existed before 1930. Three survived. That was never an argument against EVs, its an argument against starting a car company.
Lastly, why are you even here? I don’t know why you’d come to an EV community on lemmy, a place full of enthusiastic EV nerds, just to attempt talking trash about EVs. That’s not going to go well for you. Now go have fun wasting your cash on gasoline and oil changes.
Ev’s are dying, people don’t buy enough. They are not the future.
https://www.caranddriver.com/features/g43480930/history-of-electric-cars/
Electric cars were around long before gas cars. They’re just making a comeback.
They’re objectively better vehicles bud
Talk to us after 10 years of ownership.
I’m on year six with no complaints bud.
I’ve owned two of them since 2017. both run great. the only one that’s been to the shop ever was when my wife pulled into the garage with the door open.
I’ve rotated the tires, put air in them occasionally, topped up the washer fluid a few times, and washed/vacuumed. that’s it for maintenance.
they’re not for everybody. lots of people don’t have a good charging setup at home. people that need to drive a couple hundred miles every day aren’t a good candidate. you don’t want to tow anything regularly with these vehicles.
but there’s plenty of market for people who drive less than 50 miles a day who can charge at home or at work and these cars are practically no compromise at all.
I think counting on stable oil prices going forward has always been a bad bet.
You don’t keep it for 10 years, duh. You sell it at 7 years at most. When the battery and powertrain warranty is still intact.
Normally I get really smug about how much cheaper it is to run an old shitbox compared to a brand new car (particularly an EV, they depreciate hard), but this week I’m gonna be quiet on that front because I’ve spent all week elbows deep in the engine bay fixing an oil leak I’ve had since I got the piece of shit as a “while I’m in there” repair which every shitbox Audi owner can probably relate to, particularly those with a V shaped engine.
this comment will not age well.
It didn’t even start well.
the middle was kinda dumb too.
EVs have been on the US market for 14 years and barely penetrated 7% market share. Tesla has killed half its models. Most US EV startups have gone broke.
Lemmy wants Japan to make cars no one is buying. These Japanese car companies are not funded by a cult in a Ponzi scheme, they actually have to sell cars to stay afloat.
Making a bunch of cars no one will buy I guess makes people feel better.
I know people in this industry, and they know designing cars based on internet comments is a disaster. They know to stay afloat you need to make what people buy, not fantasy cars labelled “green”.
Ford sold 823,000 F150s in 2025, up 8%. EV sales actually declined 2% in the same period.
Your numbers are mostly right but your conclusion doesn’t follow.
The 2% decline is due to a subsidy cliff. Q3 2025 was an all-time record 10.5% EV share, Q4 fell to 5.7% because the federal credit died September 30. Full year was still 7.8% and the second-best on record.
“823,000 F150s” is the F-Series, Super Duty and fleet included, not just one model. Through June 2026 it’s down ~13% YoY. By your own logic the F-Series is collapsing. Is it? (Ford Lightening is a great truck btw).
Japan doesn’t just sell cars in the US. It sells cars around the world. Chinese automakers outsold Japanese automakers globally in 2025, roughly 27M to 25M, the first time Japan lost the top spot since 2000. Japanese brands’ share in China fell from ~23% to under 10%. Honda China down 24% in 2025 alone. Nissan down ~60% from its 2018 peak, four straight loss quarters, 20,000 jobs cut. Toyota posted its first North American operating loss since 2008.
You said it yourself: they actually have to sell cars to stay afloat. They’re not staying afloat. Not because of internet comments, because BYD wrecked them in the largest auto market on the planet while they were explaining why EVs wouldn’t work.
Tesla killed S and X because the 3 and Y ate them and Musk says he wants a factory for moronic robots. Tesla still took 46% of a 1.3M-unit US EV market. That’s a product decision, not a demand verdict.
And yes, most US EV startups went broke. About 1,900 American car companies existed before 1930. Three survived. That was never an argument against EVs, its an argument against starting a car company.
Lastly, why are you even here? I don’t know why you’d come to an EV community on lemmy, a place full of enthusiastic EV nerds, just to attempt talking trash about EVs. That’s not going to go well for you. Now go have fun wasting your cash on gasoline and oil changes.
Their market is increasing fairly rapidly, but it’s uneven across countries.
Barely 7% market share in NA.
Toyota is making healthy sales in hybrids.
The Honda Civic is still the best selling car in Canada.
North America is rapidly becoming a technology backwater, i fear. A declining empire clinging to the past glory days, unable to adopt new tech.
The future is in Europe and China.
Yeah North America is lagging. Global share is uncreasing at a good clip. Technology is improving. Hybrids are a fine transitional option.