cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/70841923

And among tech oligarchs, Bezos is all too typical. Peter Thiel, for one, once revealed that his three best ideas for achieving true freedom are “cyberspace”, “outerspace” and “seasteading” (the idea of building new countries on floating oil rigs). In other words, this man, whose enormous wealth affords him access to the most spectacular settings our planet has to offer, actually believes these three cold, dead places are superior to the Earth we have, verdant and alive.

Something similar seems amiss with Elon Musk, a man who seems to look up at the wonders of the night sky and see only opportunities to fill that inky unknown with his own space junk. The venerable novelist Joyce Carol Oates highlighted these apparent limits in the fall of 2025 when she roasted him ruthlessly on his own platform, X.

“So curious,” she wrote, “that such a wealthy man never posts anything that indicates that he enjoys or is even aware of what virtually everyone appreciates – scenes from nature, pet dog or cat, praise for a movie, music, a book (but doubt that he reads); pride in a friend’s or relative’s accomplishment; condolences for someone who has died; pleasure in sports, acclaim for a favorite team; references to history. In fact he seems totally uneducated, uncultured. The poorest persons on Twitter [X] may have access to more beauty & meaning in life than the ‘most wealthy person in the world.’”

The observation clearly got under the tech baron’s notoriously thin skin: he called her “a lazy liar” and began posting approvingly about various movies to prove Oates wrong.

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    Any American billionnaire who wants to experience the inhospitability of outer space is perfectly capable of moving to northern Alaska. You are welcome to experiment with grueling cold, impossible supply lines, long periods of isolation and a climate that actively tries to kill you and your machinery, while enjoying the tutorial level bonuses of a breathable atmosphere, a magnetosphere, and an eminently purchasable American administration both at the Red State level and the Federal level, that will let you do whatever the fuck you want. If you can’t make that in a techno utopia, shut, and I can’t stress it enough, the fuck up.

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      Except the planet wasn’t “made” to sustain us.

      We developed to be able to sustain ourselves on the other things that developed to sustain themselves on this planet.

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        You want to go on a technicality? Life is an abomination only capable of being created in specific conditions. You and everything on this planet is an abomination.

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            Idk if any of these animals could think about like or dislike they would hate us. Its probably a universal truth that outside the human bias its just one big piece of shit splintered into 8.3 billion shit stains.

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          Life is an abomination only capable of being created in specific conditions.

          “Abomination” is your reaction to the phenomenon.

          One could just as easily say, “Life is a miracle only capable of being created in specific conditions.”

          But I prefer to avoid demonizing or glorifying natural phenomena. Life is a result of natural processes.

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            So natural thats why there are so many planets full of life. Its a lucky coincidence based on very specific set conditions. You’re more likely to get hit by a lightning bolt than you are to get a natural sequence that leads to life. It’s a sliver of a fraction. Abomination isnt always negative just your bias human perspective leads to it being negative.

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              So natural thats why there are so many planets full of life. Its a lucky coincidence based on very specific set conditions. You’re more likely to get hit by a lightning bolt than you are to get a natural sequence that leads to life. It’s a sliver of a fraction.

              We have a very limited sample size.

              Abomination isnt always negative just your bias human perspective leads to it being negative.

              You might want to check the definition of “abomination”.

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              Saying it’s not natural because it’s so rare isn’t logical in the slightest. By that metric super massive black holes are also unnatural.

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          No, but I do hate this homo/sapiocentric view many have, that this planet was “made for us”, establishing a weird ownership mentality, presuming that humans own everything out there, when in reality we’re just short term tenants on this world. Some humility, accepting that humans are just a small, almost insignificant gear in this big machine, would go incredibly far.

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                Im sorry but, the billionaires dont want that type of life for you and me. Almost like you and everyone that thinks they can change it are living a dream. The world works on money. You want evidence? Climate change is bad guess what? A.I companies dont give a shit about it theyre so obsessed theyre willing to fuel the climate disaster even further.

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                  Im sorry but, the billionaires dont want that type of life for you and me.

                  I’m aware of that.

                  Almost like you and everyone that thinks they can change it are living a dream.

                  Hypothetically, we can. Whether we will remains to be seen. But you complying in advance helps nobody.

                  The world works on money.

                  And we should change that, or at ensure that everybody has enough and no one can hoard too much.

                  You want evidence? Climate change is bad guess what? A.I companies dont give a shit about it theyre so obsessed theyre willing to fuel the climate disaster even further.

                  I’m aware, they’re deliberately slaughtering us. We need more people to think critically. Sacrificing our own existence for money is incredibly stupid.

                  Given that neither of us know the future, what if I am wrong? Then we all die after fighting our hardest.

                  And what if you’re wrong? Then we manage to fix our broken systems and stabilize instead of going extinct. But in that scenario, the more people dragging their feet instead of helping, the more people die.

                  If you value life at all, don’t give up. If you don’t value life, keep it to yourself.

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      If they want to experience the hardships of Martian life, they can try to live in the Sahara.

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    This is a beautiful article. Scary. But beautiful. And the framing of the techno-oligarchs as people incapable of feeling awe is new to me, but makes a lot of sense. Thanks for posting.

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      I have a generally bleak outlook right now and I really needed to read this. Lit a little flame of fight for a better future.

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        I watched an interview with the authors by NYT on YT yesterday and felt the same thing. Calling them out, putting labels on what’s happening is helpful.

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      To see this printed in an actual paper and not some leftie 'zine is pretty amazing. It gives me hope we might be able to turn the corner.

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    I wonder if they realize Mars has far less protection from lethal radiation levels