• usernamesaredifficul [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    there is definitely something in the fact that he was only a nazi because he was indoctrinated as a nazi from a young age likely in a program funded by the US

    and as Stalin argued when he called for leniency for the Hitler youth someone raised in nazi ideas is less culpable than an adult that knew better

    that being said it’s not like he was executed and if a nazi is shooting at you who cares how he came to be a nazi

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        well the russians didn’t execute him he died trying to kill people

        he also based on his nazi tattoos was probably in favour of the plan of fighting russia tooth and nail here

        I mourn the innocent soul and indoctrinated child ensnared and corrupted by naziism along with you but also that innocent core was part of what became a very dangerous man and it became a tragic necessity for him to die

        if he had been captured I would support him being reeducated rather than killed but there are limits to what you can do and it’s more important to stop him than redeem him

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          well the russians didn’t execute him he died trying to kill people

          That’s the nature of war. If he’d taken another 20-something Russian soldier with shit politics on his way out, I wouldn’t be cheering for that either. What they’re doing is nightmarish, but they’re just tools of the bourgeois fucks playing tug of war over the region.

          I mourn the innocent soul and indoctrinated child ensnared and corrupted by naziism along with you but also that innocent core was part of what became a very dangerous man

          I mourn the man he became. He was wasted before he’d died. But play this game and you’re going to end up doing the “Military Age Males” shit that Americans use as an excuse for genocide. Being some dipshit with a gang tattoo doesn’t make you dangerous. Not even if some goons stuff your hands full of military surplus and shove you towards a battle field. What’s dangerous is the fucks churning these people out.

          if he had been captured I would support him being reeducated

          By whom? The fucking Wagner Corps? The Russian rank-and-file? Its pure fash-infighting

          These people are human sacrifices. Raised like chattel and disposed of just as quickly. That’s horrible on its face. Telling me the veal you’re eating had bad ideology doesn’t make the factory farm that processed him something to celebrate.

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            Being some dipshit with a gang tattoo doesn’t make you dangerous. Not even if some goons stuff your hands full of military surplus and shove you towards a battle field.

            he had nazi tattoos and was in an army with recognised regiments of neo nazis. And having a gun in your hand does make you dangerous. If he was just a young man it would be one thing he is a young man in an army

            yes it’s very sad what happened to him but what happened to him made him actively dangerous to the ethnic russian civilians of the donbass and they also are innocents

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              he had nazi tattoos and was in an army with recognised regiments of neo nazis.

              Where he was marched to the front, shoved into enemy fire, and eulogized as propaganda for the next in the line of human sacrifices.

              The Russian lines haven’t moved. These people aren’t dangerous. They’re disposable.

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                they are both dangerous and disposable. There are Russian dead in this war. There are Russian and Ukrainian dead who didn’t even want to be there unlike this man who was by all indication a volunteer and nazi

                everything you just said for him could also be said of the wehrmacht

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                  There are Russian and Ukrainian dead who didn’t even want to be there

                  The guy was 12 when the civil war started and 19 when the invasion happened. If he’d grown up away from the battle front, he wouldn’t be so fucked in the head.

                  everything you just said for him could also be said of the wehrmacht

                  Even Stalin had pity for the Hitler Youth

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                    Even Stalin had pity for the Hitler Youth

                    yes he did but there are degrees of innocence. A rabid dog is innocent but it’s still dangerous

                    The guy was 12 when the civil war started and 19 when the invasion happened. If he’d grown up away from the battle front, he wouldn’t be so fucked in the head

                    this is all true and materialist but also he did have some agency in this matter there are many people who were indoctrinated in hardcore racist backgrounds who broke away. He choose admitedly within a worse set of options than many people have ever been expected to face and maybe but for the grace of God there go I but he did choose this and I’m not that sorry that someone he was actively trying to kill killed him

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            Why are you crying so hard over dead Nazis?

            Yes, dogshit people are indoctrinated. Indoctrinated people are the ones calling the shots & the ones dying in the trenches. It’s a system. But you don’t need to mourn this stupid fuck who wants nothing more than to reinforce that system. Violent systems have violent outcomes, be glad it was this guy and not someone who wouldn’t get a fuckin swastika tattoo.

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              Why are you crying so hard over dead Nazis?

              Because there but for the grace of God go we all.

              Every kid who grows up to be a Nazi is a life squandered. It is a heart wrenching tragedy to imagine the trajectory of this person’s life.

              Indoctrinated people are the ones calling the shots

              If fucking only. But guys like Putin and Blinken are as clear eyed as you get. Neither of them, nor their families, are getting anywhere near an active war zone.