A very NSFW website called Pornpen.ai is churning out an endless stream of graphic, AI-generated porn. We have mixed feelings.
Could be interesting. I mean for one thing no real person being expolited and those with strange fetishist can be satisfied. But could be very disturbing as well. Wonder how long until AI video porn?
It’s already happened. Someone made an AI generated porn of some influencer and it was a big deal for a few minutes.
Are you talking about deep fakes? None of that is original. They just use their a face and AI matches it on to a pornstars body in an existing video.
I think it is just a matter of time for the disturbing stuff to circulate. If people can create their darkest desires they will.
Then cue debates and political campaigns about AI in general and if we should allow anyone or anything to create depraved images, pronographic or not.
That’s so good, sissy. You got even better after I amputated your legs.
“We don’t intend to police the use of developing technologies at this time.”
That’s so good, sissy, blind that billionaire with your acidic piss.
“We cannot allow our children to be exposed to such grotesque videos.”
Yeah, although I think part of the missing nuance is that people already did that, the difference being that now anyone can, in theory, create what’s inside their head, regardless of their actual artistic talent. Now that creation is accessible though, everyone’s having another moral panic over what should be acceptable for people to create.
If anything, moving the more disturbing stuff from the real world to the digital seems like an absolute win. But I suppose there will always be the argument, much like video games making people violent, that digital content will become real.
People have been able to draw for eons. Imagine trying to ban the public from drawing because the odd few people are a little mixed up.
AI is just a tool, like the pencil, charcoal or paints.
I know you aren’t suggesting we ban it from the public, just my side of the hypothetical debate that your right in saying will arrive
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Lol…this site won’t let you confirm you’re over 18 without agreeing to enabling all cookies. No thanks.
SFW content in an NSFW website. Nice!
I’d throw a hotdog down that corridor, if you know what I mean.
lewd
“eh I’ll take a look”
first thing I see is a woman on her back with her legs behind her head, smooth skin where her genitals should be and nipples in the middle of her buttocks.
“alright then”
Great, more man made horrors beyond comprehension
Non-Euclidean anatomy
BBC Escher.
World’s first mandelboobs - fractal porn enthusiast community incoming
Yeh this site has nothing on some of the insane ai creators on pixiv
woman with a dinosaur and a woman without legs for me
Once again pornography is setting unrealistic standards for women.
I’m not sure if I have the strength to clutch these pearls any harder over these articles. I peaked 8 articles ago.
Have a sandwich and a nap then I’m sure you’ll be ready to go again
Weakling.
I’ve been clutching so hard, the pearls fused into my flesh years ago. I’ve bankrupted myself buying more pearls, inserted one by one into my clenched fist.
Luckily the mere sight of me - a lurching pearlescent beast with glinting pearls for eyes - causes clams to voluntarily offer their own in reverance, my own unending supply.
You’re a poet.
People who insist on real flesh porn will ultimately be viewed as weirdo’s out of touch with reality like people who insist everything sounds better on vinyl.
Fast forward 25 years past the first Ai war and a ragged but triumphant humanity must rediscover the lost art of waxing.
- Have you seen Demolition Man?
And, 2. Ew. 😅
At what point was porn NOT graphic, but now this thing IS GRAPHIC. Are we talking all caps, or just a small difference between the live stuff and the AI shit? Inquiring minds want to know.
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I AM!
There’s also the fact that not all porn is exploitative
Make up your mind. Last week every porn was exploitative because reasons, and not it’s not because people could lose their job.
Little known fact - there’s more the one person out there, and, those extra people have lots of differing opinions!
Impossible!
Then why do they say it’s a fact?
“You can say anything on the internet.” -Genghis Khan
“You can’t just go on the internet and lie.” -Kublai Kahn
Because it is a fact, and anyone who says “all porn is exploitive” is projecting their morals and idealism across a whole industry with zero regard for nuance.
AI porn for the longest time has just looked so off to me, idk what it is
Some things I was able to put my finger on after looking at a bunch of the images in the feed:
- It doesn’t do skin well, treating it more like a smooth plastic than a surface with pores, wrinkles, and fine hairs.
- It doesn’t understand lighting, so shadows don’t agree with highlights or even each other.
- It doesn’t understand anatomy. A lot of the images were fine in this regard but others had misplaced muscles, bones, and impossible limb positioning/truncation.
- It has no idea how to draw vaginas. Nipples are also not well understood, though it does better on average with those. They still look more like a plastic than skin, but most of them were passable at least, while I didn’t see a single vagina that looked even close to right.
To be fair, so many humans drawing porn don’t understand anatomy or what vaginas look like. It’s hard to train when your input data is already bad.
Yeah, a lot of the vaginas on that site look like hentai vaginas. I can understand it more with AIs since vaginas have a ton of variance to them, so trying to make an “average” vagina will end up not looking like any actual one.
But the artists that draw them like that just disappoint me (though with the caveat that I have no reason to believe I’d do any better if I were to draw that). There’s a ton of inspiration out there and many do an amazing job with the rest of the body, why do they make one of the important parts (for porn) look like an afterthought?
Though the anime style ones aren’t as bad as some others where the AI seems like it’s trying to average boy and girl parts lol.
To be fair, the focus of this era’s porn has hardly ever been the vagina, under any amount of scrutiny. A few aspects of sex in porn prioritized higher are, in no particular order: bounce, sounds, phrasing, setting, texture, animism/passion, power roles, etc. Hell, I’d rather that more effort has been made to visually hide prophylactic use than to focus on the vagina itself.
I’m not in any way saying I agree with this, simply pointing out the facts as they are these days.
Tbh, if people don’t know the difference from a vagina and a vulva, I don’t expect AI to do a great job generating any good porn.
The images on the site aren’t very good (typical low-detail airbrushed-look) nor are they generated very fast. See the examples here (mostly SFW) on what you can actually do, it takes about 15sec per image on a mid range gaming PC.
That said, one big limit of current AI models remains: It’s always images of a single subject, it can’t do multiple subjects or complex interaction. Also facial expressions still always look quite bland. It can be worked around with inpainting and stuff, but plain text prompts have a hard time generating interesting images.
This looks good, untill you try and figure out the fingers https://civitai.com/images/1967206?modelVersionId=138176&prioritizedUserIds=6357&period=AllTime&sort=Most Reactions&limit=20
and the toes here… https://civitai.com/images/1967203?modelVersionId=138176&prioritizedUserIds=6357&period=AllTime&sort=Most+Reactions&limit=20
Fuck yeah!
Meh. It’s all only women and so samey samey. Not sexy IMO, but I don’t think fake is necessarily not hot, art can be, certainly.
While amazing, most of these are hilariously wrong. Let’s just say the girl with 4 bellybuttons was the more tame incorrect thing I saw.
I am a little surprised that no one had created a site like this for child pornography.
I am not a legal expert, but my layman’s understanding of Ashcroft v Free Speech Coalition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcroft_v._Free_Speech_Coalition is that as long as there is no person being harmed by it CSAM is legal.
Maybe later rulings have changed this. One can hope.
Well, to develop such a service, you need training data, i.e. lots of real child pornography in your possession.
Legality for your viewers will also differ massively around the world, so your target audience may not be very big.
And you probably need investors, which likely have less risky projects to invest into.
Well, and then there’s also the factor of some humans just not wanting to work on disgusting, legal grey area stuff.
yup, just like the ai needed lots of pictures of astronaughts on horses to make pictures of those…
Exactly. Some of these engines are perfectly capable of combining differing concepts. In your example, it knows basically what a horse looks like, and what a human riding on horseback looks like. It also knows that an astronaut looks very much like a human without a space suit and can put the two together.
Saying nothing of the morality, In this case, I suspect that an AI could be trained using pictures of clothed children perhaps combined with nude images of people who are of age and just are very slim or otherwise have a youthful appearance.
While I think it’s repugnent in concept, I also think that for those seeking this material, I’d much rather it be AI generated than an actual exploited child. Realistically though, I doubt that this would actually have any notable impact to the prevalence of CSAM, and might even make it more accessible.
Furthermore, if the generative AI gets good enough, it could make it difficult to determine whether an image is real or AI generated. That would make it more difficult for police to find the child and offender to try to remove them from that situation. So now we need an AI to help analyze and separate the two.
Yeah… I don’t like living in 2023 and things are only getting worse. I’ve put way more thought into this than I ever wanted to.
Aren’t AI generated images pretty obvious to detect from noise analysis? I know there’s no effective detection for AI generated text, and not that there won’t be projects to train AI to generate perfectly realistic images, but it’ll be a while before it does fingers right, let alone invisible pixel artifacts.
As a counterpoint, won’t the prevalence of AI generated CSAM collapse the organized abuse groups, since they rely on the funding from pedos? If genuine abuse material is swamped out by AI generated imagery, that would effectively collapse an entire dark web market. Not that it would end abuse, but it would at least undercut the financial motive, which is progress.
That’s pretty good for 2023.
Unfortunately, no, you just need training data on children in general and training data with legal porn, and these tools can combine it.
It’s already being done, which is disgusting but not surprising.
People have worried about this for a long time. I remember a subplot of a sci-fi series that got into this. (I think it was The Lost Fleet, 15 years ago).
CivitAI is a pretty perverted site at the best of times. But there’s a disturbing amount of age adjustment plugins to make images of children on the same site they have plugins to make sex acts. It’s clear some people definitely are.
Some models also prefer children for some reason and then you have to put mature/adult in positive prompt and child in negative
I think part of the problem is that there is a lot of anime in the models and when you don’t filter that out with negative prompts it can distort the proportions of realistic images (e.g. everybody gets huge breasts unless you negative prompt it away). In general models are always heavily biased towards what they were trained on, and when you use a prompt or LORA that worked well on one model on another, you can get weird results. There is always a lot of nudging involved with keywords and weights to get the images to were you want it.
I remember reading that this may be already happening to some extent, eg people sharing tips on creating it on the deep web, maybe through prompt engineer, fine tuning or pretraining.
I don’t know how those models are made, but I do wonder the ones that need retraining/finetuning by using real csam can be classified as breaking the law.
Surely we should know, right? Cartoons or hentai or whatever must have gone through this at some point?
Typically, the laws get amended so that anything that looks like CSAM is now CSAM. Expect porn generators tuned for minor characters to get outlawed very quickly.
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There was an article the other day about underage girls in France having AI nudes spread around based on photos as young as 12. Definitely harm there.
Hentai maybe. But realistic shit is 100% illegal, even just making such an AI would require breaking the law as you’d have to use real CSAM to train it.
You haven’t been to 4chan lately because that’s exactly what it’s being used for
You’d also have to convince them that it’s not real. It’ll probably end up creating laws tbh. Then there are weird things like Japan where lolis are legal, but uncensored genitals aren’t, even drawn.
Not sure how people will be so into this shit. It’s all so generic looking
AI is still a brand new tech. It’s like getting mad at AM radio for being staticy and low quality. It’ll improve with time as we get better tech.
Personally I can’t wait to see what the future holds for AI porn. I’m imagining being able to get exactly what you want with a single prompt, and it looks just as real as reality. No more opening 50 tabs until you find the perfect video. Sign me the fuck up.
Cam girls are going to lose their jobs.
I think words like “thirsty” and “thirst trap” are self defeating. Actual thirst is your body’s biological response to a need for water. Without water, you’ll die. Calling porn sites “thirst traps” suggests that people have a critical need for porn - which is often contrary to the point the author is trying to make.
Arguing about the ethics or morality of something that’s “necessary” for survival is irrelevant. Anyone who’s against pornography is perfectly within their rights to share their opinion, but they should avoid the word “thirst”.
Edit: I know the issue of pornography can evoke strong feelings in some, but I’m only talking about word choice, folks.
I’m also not one of those tiresome people people who refuses to admit that they’re wrong, and acts like a child when faced with sound opposition. If someone would actually put their opinion into words, instead of just downvoting, I’d appreciate it.
Man, you really do sound like a redditor.
A redditor would try to hide their gross opinion behind a thin veneer of logic. I’m not getting into the ethics of porn at all.
I’m just talking about phrasing. I think “thirst” is a poor analogy.
Dude, what
I just think the word “thirst” is a bad choice, that’s all.
This is a good hill to die on, and I applaud you for it.
*stabs him*Lol read the reply from @Ropianos. It’s good.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Thirsty
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=thirst traps
The author isn’t using thirsty, like you’re thirsty for water. They are using the slang version.
I can see how you would misunderstand without knowing that.
Consider another association with thirst: Desperation. In the mind of the author porn consumption is negative so anyone consuming porn is doing this out of desperation, despite knowing better. It essentially describes people being controlled by their base instincts. And thus this site is a trap, luring people against their will.
That is how I would interpret the word thirst in this context anyway. It’s not about a critical need, it’s about thirst being irrational and highly compulsive.
Awesome! Thank you! This is the kind of thought provoking response I was hoping for.
Additionally, it’s a really good point. I totally missed this interpretation, and I think it’s better than mine.
Sure, no worries! I haven’t been disappointed yet by responding to downvoted comments so I will keep doing it :)
Just another similar metaphor: Power hungry. Not the stove kind but the dictator kind. To be honest, there are quite a lot of body related metaphors, e.g. drowning in trouble, blinded by ambition. I guess it comes down to evoking some strong emotion.
I think a lot of people (myself included) are used to the combative, hostile environment of reddit. An actual friendly disagreement is a foreign concept to them. Personally, I enjoy it when other people present different perspectives. It’s both interesting and a great way to learn.
And yeah, “power hungry” has a similar vibe. Nice!
Totally agree, though I haven’t really participated that much on Reddit. Seems like any disagreement is quickly framed as trolling over there.
Yeah. People are very defensive, because even the insinuation of disagreement is taken as a personal attack. It gets into your head, and takes a while to get over. You forget that reasonable, well-meaning conversations are even possible. It sucks. I’ll never go back.
