Android news, reviews, tips, and discussions about rooting, tutorials, and apps.
General discussion about devices is welcome. Please direct technical support, upgrade questions, buy/sell, app recommendations, and carrier-related issues to other communities. Join Here: !android@lemdro.id https://lemdro.id/c/android
In respect to you guys modding the original r/Android, I will leave this up, unlocked. But please, don’t make any more new posts here advertising r/Android V2.
Let the games begin I guess.Edit: Please read this.
We didn’t post this one up! I posted on /r/android shortly before bed and felt it would’ve been in bad taste if we had posted here without discussing with you folks first (I also admittedly slept in, as it’s a holiday today for Canada Day Weekend).
I was actually hoping to reach out to you and Mike to see if you’re interested in joining our mod team on !android@lemdro.id. We hope to carry forward the same kind of content philosophy from /r/android prior to our lockdowns, namely discussions and items of collective interest, and avoiding specific, technical support questions that can overtake large communities - and think you both align pretty well with our overall emphasis on keeping it civil and cordial.
For a bit of background on the instance, @cole@lemdro.id has been spending quite some time getting lemdro.id setup and optimized for us with a focus on ensuring backend scalability to handle load. The hope was to have an instance where major tech and other subreddits could feel comfortable moving to, without the significant performance issues that could leave folks with bad first impressions (a number of us were around for the waves of migration from Digg to Reddit).
Folks are currently reaching out to their respective mod teams at other large tech subreddits to see if there’s interest in joining Lemmy as well. We also have a number of developers with us exploring opportunities to contribute code improvements and fill gaps within the Lemmy ecosystem (e.g., accessibility improvements, moderator tools, fighting spam), with at least one bug fix already contributed to the Lemmy Github!
If you and Mike are interested, please do reach out! It would be great to have you both. Given Lemmy doesn’t support group PMs or Modmail, let me know if you want to connect somewhere else - I’m on Telegram, Discord, and Element but would be happy to chat anywhere.
Thanks Jeff, I appreciate the candour and respectful response here. I confess I was initially miffed that somebody would promote a ‘competing’ c here, but I quickly realised I’m not interested in rivalries here. Life’s busy enough as it is!
I think we’re doing pretty well here, but the idea of an instance dedicated to tech is appealing. Happy to chat about it. I’m @mikestevens on Telegram.
Thank you for clarifying and for the consideration, I really appreciate you taking the time to write this out.
Regarding my response earlier, I made that reply on the assumption that it were you guys who put this up as a way to take some users back, which taking a step back now, I see that I was very wrong.
I’ll be making a new mod reply to this post, which should clarify any misunderstandings to prevent new people viewing this post from accidentally making the same assumption I have made.
If you need to contact me, shoot me a DM and I can share my Telegram details there :)
A classy response to a less than classy move.
Why shouldn’t they do “r/Android V2” posts? Is android@lemmy.world “The Android community”? Are we going to put a non-compete rule in writing or spirit for this community? How tone-deaf would this be in the current Reddit upheaval context? The Fediverse is literally about anti-monopilization. !android@lemmy.world just so happens to be one community named “Android” among others on other instances. It also happens to be on the largest instance for now. But a successful, large community doesn’t have to be on the largest instance. That’s not how federation works. Ultimately all of us users check the number of user subs before we subscribe or we just sub to all. Being the first to register this community on this instance isn’t what’s gonna determine that. Whichever “The Android community” becomes on Lemmy, it requires moderation work and likely that will determine the final result. If the /r/Android mods want to tell us where the new version of it is, they can do that in a lot more channels than "!android@lemmy.world”, like the various tech or Reddit related communities across the instances. Someone posting this here shouldn’t trigger any special feelings in my opinion as it’s no different or significantly more influential. The battle for creating a Reddit alternative is much bigger one than who’s gonna claim they own this or that piece of land. So I’d welcome every free labor team (mod teams) from Reddit to Lemmy and help them get started even if it means that I have to cede some space. We supported these folks during the blackouts, why should we stop doing so when they decided to migrate? Isn’t that the logical continuation of the same events?
Let me explain my reply.
From my POV, OP’s post initially came across as advertisement, but targeted. Imagine that this community is an Apple store. To me this post seemed as if Samsung or Google had put up an ad directly in the middle of the store, trying to take back some customers.
It was my mistake to assume that OP posting was one of the mods.
I’m 100% ok with both communities co-existing, after all, the more content there is, the more likely the Fediverse will succeed. The only reason I was annoyed at first, was because of an advertisement for a similar community that came out of nowhere, with no notice/warning whatsoever, which in hindsight is completely understandable as this post wasn’t at all made by the mods over at !android@lemdro.id.
Tl;dr I just wasn’t comfortable with how the advertisement just appeared, as it seemed like a direct attack to steal people, but I was most definitely wrong with my assumptions. My reply was made solely on the assumption that the mods of !android@lemdro.id had posted this, and for that I am sorry.
So we have separate Android communities running on separate instances. I can’t see how this community splintering can be a good thing.
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As time goes one community will emerge as the main one while other would dry up and naturally become obsolete (until people get angry with the mods of main one and start looking for alternative community, similar to how there are r/truegaming, r/true(x) etc for popular subreddits.)
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There are many open PRs on lemmy github on how to aggregate similar communities. For example there is a suggestion of making an auto multireddit like thing, m/gaming for example, that would merge posts from every c/gaming community (not sure how this would work with defederation and stuff). With enough demand, something like that can be added to lemmy by an experienced dev.
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Things like defederation and having communities with the same topic on different instances are actually good things, they’re features of the Fediverse not problems.
It takes a bit of adapting to the Fediverse mindset as opposed to the centralized platform mindset but there are solutions:
- Having multiple communities like OP said is a good thing, let’s see which one rises to the top.
- There are already Lemmy clients that can subscribe to accounts on multiple instances and merge everything seamlessly for you.
- A multireddit-like feature will probably be implemented eventually, and I suspect it will also be a client feature not a server feature, because it makes much more sense on the client.
How are users that aren’t interested in following the state of each community supposed to know which one is “on top” or the best community to post to or watch for relevant information? I don’t agree that making meta-level knowledge of the site mandatory to successfully navigating it is healthy or smart for the long term success of lemmy.
How did you pick between Coke and Pepsi? You picked the one you liked. Choice is a good thing, I think you’re making this harder than it needs to be.
A lot of these arguments are starting to sound like Reddit is astroturfing around here.
A lot of people are fresh off of Reddit and are looking for an exact clone of Reddit, which is fair enough. They don’t understand Federation and think Lemmy needs to stop doing it, lol. Like, Squables is that way - - - >
How are users that aren’t interested in following the state of each community supposed to know which one is “on top” or the best community
The same way they have been doing it on reddit. You browse around, see a community that looks interesting and you subscribe. Notice that you have two related communities and you merge them in your client.
I don’t agree that making meta-level knowledge of the site mandatory to successfully navigating it is healthy or smart for the long term success of lemmy.
I mean, you need to know how a service works in order to use it effectively. Lemmy works a certain way and that’s that.
Not sure which you’re arguing for – that Lemmy should be simpler (I think it’s fairly simple for what it is) or that clients should be simpler (which is happening as we speak) – but either way it’s going to work out. Hell, Twitter’s mechanics are a lot less intuitive and it still managed to make it big.
How are users that aren’t interested in following the state of each community supposed to know which one is “on top” or the best community to post to or watch for relevant information? I
Look at c/all and see which communities consistently are at the top. If you like one community over the other, upvote and comment on that community’s posts.
The beehaw and world defederation (which I assume you are referencing) is temporary because beehaw believes the increased traffic cannot be moderated without proper mod tools.
And while you’re right about mainstream things like gaming or technology won’t have a single main community, I feel more niche communities will be able to setup their main communities. Obviouly that’s just my opinion, but there are some signs of that happening already. (c/piracy for example)
Given instances can get defederated because of one sublemmy… pressing big X to doubt on that
sublemmy
Man, I hope that doesn’t catch on.
Okay, it is a stupid name, I admit. Better alternative?
Lemmy already calls it a community. It’s all over the UI, code, everything. Why call it something else?
I like community 🙂.
Instances will be judged on the subs they choose to host. Federating is a voluntary activity and defederating is the solution for other admins when one instance fails to keep their instance from turning into a Nazi bar.
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Don’t like the direction of one? You get options. Like them both? Subscribe to both. It’s like getting Gamers Nexus and LTT, different perspective but overlapping community.
It’s just like having different subreddits about the same topic. Just subscribe to both.
I think what he meant is why launch a second exact same community, with merely 300 subscribers, when there’s already an established one like !android@lemmy.world which has now more than 15k subscribers? I noticed that behavior with the r/neovim mods too, they refused to join an existing community. My guess is simply that they want to be in a community where they are still in charge of everything, they’re too addicted to their mod “powers” to let go of them.
Back to OP, I think the whole thread and the way r/Android mods just hoped to absorb users of this community is completely inappropriate and simply disrespectful.
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Same reason there’s been games, gaming, truegaming, patientgaming, etc. Overtime each community can come to develop their own style.
But they’re the same topic, so there’s a good chance there’s gonna be repeated content across both. Particularly if not everyone is subscribed to all instances.
I’m subscribing to both, but will be interesting to see how duplicate content across instances are federated in the future.
If two of the same topic is posted, the one in the instance with more people will be higher on the active list than the other, so if you’re subbed to both, you’ll see that one first and interact with it. I’ve seen duplicate topics across several of my subs on Reddit regularly.
Are there any Lemmy clients that support viewing multi-communities? For example, I’d prefer viewing all posts for all instances of Android over the combined subscribed list.
I thought that was built in to all Lemmy clients. All non-home instances I’m subscribed to are presented as @instance because the instance location is just as important as the sub’s name.
Just to clarify, I don’t want to view all of the content from my subscribed communities in a single view. I want to be able to tap on something like Android and then only view the content from all instances with the same community name that I’m subscribed to.
I wouldn’t even want it restricted to the same community name, make it customizable. I’d love to be able to set up Android and FossDroid on the same feed for example. Or all the different selfhosted/homelab/datahoarders/etc. communities.
Not right now. I imagine this would be added in an app sooner than the official distribution due to priorities.
Yeah but I’d see one, scroll a little further and see another. Then scroll a little further and see another. Sure you might see some repeated posts on Reddit, but the problem is exacerbated if there are multiple instances of the same topic.
For example, if I saw the same post on /r/Google and /r/Android. The problem could be four times or more worse due to there being multiple instances of Google and Android federated.
I’m enjoying Lemmy, but it’ll be interesting to see how this might be dealt with for those that want a single feed per topic.
It’s not hard to dedupe content. My RSS client has a feature that can hide duplicate articles based on a few different parameters. It’s not impossible to add something to Lemmy that does the same
Also, back in reddit ancient history, there used to be a feature called “other discussions” which let you see the same link’s comments on other subreddits
That’d be great if my subscribe hadn’t been pending for days.
I think that’s a bug, and doesn’t mean anything. Unless there’s a new bug I’m unaware of, which is completely possible.
I get your point but there is a good solution for this.
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/1113
Basically a feature request to have the option for multi subreddits or communities. This way we get centralized content without the disadvantages of decentralization.
This feels like the argument people made against Android when Google announced that any manufacturer could have their own separate distribution.
And it was a huge problem
not really. Android’s customizability is what makes it better.
🤷♂️ guess agree to disagree.
not really. Android’s customizability is what makes it better.
What Wander replied. Also you can subscribe to which community has the most subscribers/most active. Having a couple communities of the same topic can also mean the communities can be smaller than one huge community. A smaller community can have better discussions than one huge community.
I’m with you. I’m already seeing duplicate posts/links shared across instances. Trying to work out how managing subscriptions will look as the platform grows.
Friendly competition is always good.
Meh. For me, this community replaces r/android. No thanks you.
I actually like the idea of a lot of the bigger subs getting their own instances. Makes it easier to organize different topics than the flair by just creating separate communities.
Yeah, I like this idea a lot. Just like programming.dev having a bunch of programming related communities.
Also, it’s a bit nice (imo) to not have EVERY community on Lemmy.world.
In any case, I will just follow both.
IMHO, Lemmy.world is better for like general discussion communities such as memes, TIL, AMA, earthpics, etc. Anything on that instance will always be “general”. Like, California@lemmy.world would be for like general news and updates but California@artists.social (not a real instance but just as an example) could be all about art and culture.
This has finally made all of this make a bit more sense with the way that’s worded. I’m still not sure if I’m doing everything right. If the Portland community I see on the instance I’m on is the right one or the o oy one or what the hell. 😂😅
Yeah, I feel like they’re a little late to the party. They should have had this ready to go once they decided they were going to prolong their protest.
You know, you can join both lol
Yeah but… It just feels weird that the Reddit mods came blasting here as if they were the true Android representatives from Google.
Same for me! 😁
So, if I’m understanding correctly… the mods from reddit, started their own instance are are trying to siphon users over to that?
I don’t think this thread was created by one of them — the creator of this thread isn’t listed as a mod over there.
Like @Devgard I was tempted to lock or delete this thread — I feel like it’s a bit of a shitty thing to post — but it’s pretty clear from the upvotes that most people are excited for it. So… Whatever will be, will be!
No matter how it plays out this is a fucking hero response.
Mate, correct response. Infighting makes us just as bad as Reddit
Weird, it doesn’t seem to have a subscribe button when I go to it: https://i.imgur.com/vws3HXX.png
I run into all kinds of oddities with Lemmy.
Also I got a JSON parse error when trying to write this comment here too lol
The subscribe button is a bug that should be fixed in the next release. As a work around, if you click any other button in that page, the issue should be fixed. Try it.
Yep that worked, thanks!
Nevermind, my question was already answered itt
Weird, it doesn’t even have a subscribe button: https://i.imgur.com/Jm1oYCR.png
Somehow I’m not surprised though, I always run into oddities with Lemmy lol
Update on the post This post was not made by the mods of @android@Android@lemdro.id. This was made by a fellow fan of r/Android and was not made to siphon/steal users as I and many others have incorrectly assumed, so please don’t attack the mods of @android@Android@lemdro.id as they don’t mean any harm!
Sorry for the late reply (I had not checked Lemmy for a while).
I am just an Android enthusiast and not affiliated with r/Android in any capacity. I genuinely failed to realise that it might be inappropriate and disrespectful towards your community to post this here. I saw the announcement in r/Android and got excited. I should have posted this in other relevent communities.
Apologies for any inconvenience or offense that I may have caused.
It’s all good :)
Crazy. Android was one of, if not THE first, subreddit I subscribed to when I joined Reddit. I was rooting my Galaxy S Edge… Before a shitload of major subreddits were even created… Here we are, almost 12 years later, starting over. Now I’m on my 2 year old GS 21 Ultra
Crazy. I joined Reddit before Android OS even existed 😂
Good stuff. Getting to used to using Reddit less and less.
Great, subscribed.
I was part of that subreddit and welcome them to the Fediverse. But I’m in kbin and my efforts to join them are not working. Hope there is a fix for this soon.
Side question: Is there a website with a list of all interest/communities and its address so we could just search that website and add all the sites we wanted to kbin?
https://lemmyverse.net/communities Once you go to the site on the top right there’s an icon of a house click it and set your local instance. From there you’re free to search all communities by name and by instance location and once you click on them it will open using your local instance automatically. From there you simply have to subscribe
Nice sumup,I will copy your message to promote it to other people from other services (with credits of you ofc)
Thanks, this was very helpful!
I know of https://sub.rehab/ for finding fediverse alternatives to subreddits, but no idea about a more generalized use case site.
Good move guys! Enjoy you stay here! 🎉🎉
Read the room, it’s not a “good move”, it’s a dick move against
!android@lemmy.worldmods who built this community when r/Android was radio silent about us and never helped, it’s disrespectful. It’s only now after they saw Redditors migrating to Lemmy that they thought they should join too, but only by launching a tiny duplicate community because it hurts their ego to let go of their mod positions and join an already established Android community. What adds insult to injury is that they come here and astroturf as if!android@lemmy.worlddoesn’t exist, hoping to absorb its users.Yea, I mean, if you’re a mod, go apply to be one at the new community. I think a lot of new communities would welcome the experience the vet mods have.
I modded a country sub and it’s not my business to tell the sub where to go and when to go. It’s their community, they make the decision themselves.
My impression of Reddit and Reddit mods was that everyone was inexperienced, childlike, and toxic. Lemmy, so far, seems like a more mature audience. I rather like the Reddit subreddits moving to their own community, separate from what has been created in Lemmy already. I do not wish to have the Reddit experience over here. I stopped using Reddit for a reason.
Can you explain what the controversy is about? So the /r/Android mods tried to start an Android community on the fediverse but other people got to them first? How are they astroturfing?
- r/Android never mentioned Lemmy before when they could have made use of the blackout to introduce people to Lemmy;
- never mentioned nor helped !android@lemmy.world, and instead preferred to launch a tiny community much later on with the exact same goals and content just so that they can preserve their imaginary mod “powers”;
- waited until !android@lemmy.world grew sufficiently big and until the fear of missing out kicked in, and then decided to advertise inside this community for there being “finally” an Android community on the Fediverse, still completely gaslighting !android@lemmy.world here and on r/Android;
- the low effort advertisement in OP’s post acting as if we’re not already on a much larger and well-established Android community:
Android news, reviews, tips, and discussions about rooting, tutorials, and apps.
General discussion about devices is welcome. Please direct technical support, upgrade questions, buy/sell, app recommendations, and carrier-related issues to other communities. Join Here: !android@lemdro.id https://lemdro.id/c/android
They still get to moderate /r/android. In the old times of discrete message board communities, there were various Android message board communities before everything started coalescing around Reddit. It’s impossible to have an opportunity to moderate every single community. If they want to create their own duplicate community, they are free to do so.
they are free to do so
I never denied this, but the way it’s done here is simply disrespectful to !android@lemmy.world’s mods and the early members who grew this community together while r/Android mods ignored them.
Eh, I can see that, but the whole point of the fediverse is to get away from centralization, right? I think it’s a good thing they are promoting their own instance on Lemmy. Only issue is that for right now at least - all of the instances look the same…
Again what we’re talking about here is mods who were radio silent about building backup communities on Lemmy since the Reddit blackout began, leaving users to figure shit out themselves on Lemmy. Reddit mods sit around and wait. After 3 weeks they see that Lemmy actually succeeded and many big communities got established. Reddit mods with their sense of entitlement then come here and say “okay peasants we appreciate what you did, now that you’re already on the lemmyverse come join us here where we still have our mod powers”.
It has nothing to do with decentralization. It’s the disrespect that they’re openly showing.
Hey there, I just wanted to quickly mention that /r/Android mods didn’t make the submission here and we wouldn’t have! OP seems to have gotten that description from the !android@lemdro.id sidebar. In case you’re interested, I posted a bit more context above.
Nah. The Android subreddit mods are so toxic. They banned me for preferring a Google Pixel.
Hope their instance fails, to be honest. They can die with Reddit. Power tripping assholes.
About time! 🙌
“Feels like old time already”
The link for those on kbin: https://kbin.social/m/android@lemmy.world
That’s the link for the lemmy.world instance, but the android community seems to have launched their own instance at https://lemdro.id. That one seems to have trouble federating with us.
r/android
communitymodsFixed.
I think it’s worth linking to this reminder: https://lemmy.world/post/323205
this is the way
HELL YEAH!
Libreddit link: https://libreddit.domain.glass/r/Android/comments/14p8vb7/were_now_also_on_the_fediverse/
Also, subscribed!
I should have used libreddit in the first place. Will update the post
For android to stay federated with other servers do they need to download all the posts from other servers to their server? I’m not too sure how the fediverse works.
Not quite. From what I’ve read, I think only text is downloaded, pictures and other media are just links. So not everything needs to be downloaded. Also to trigger/maintain this connection (federation) at least one person from your instance needs to be subscribed.
But you won’t find this community in the search bar because you’re not federated yet. So to trigger the initial federation you’ll need to search for the full URL, the entire URL including “https://” (https://lemdro.id/c/android) It won’t show up at first, so try again in a few seconds, and sometimes you’ll need to try a lot of times if the instances are running slowly. But eventually your instance will find the other community on the other instance.
But at the time I’m writing this lemdro.id is apparently offline so it won’t work at all right now.
