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I feel like the EU is one of the few forces of good in the world these days.
It is not. But it has been doing some right things when it comes to privacy protection and so on.
Still, Trump’s border wall and caged children are merely cute compared to the shit going on at the borders of the EU.
I disagree. The EU is one of the best things that ever happened to us Europeans, who knows, we might be fighting another war if history went different.
Politically, the EU spins around between based decisions and crap like chat surveillance, but over all, it has been a major contributor to the high standard of life in Europe, I’m convinced of this.
What kind of things should I think of?
Until you find out it lets Muslim immigrants (80% of whom prefer sharia law over eu law) take over entire towns & countries.
Yeah, that’s not happening. Nice far right conspiracy theory though.
It got me banned from reddit, but I ain’t even half right nor even a bit extremist. I just walked around in Rotterdam, Almere, Marseille, Barcelona and such. Have you?
I have. I have even lived in and right next to the widely decried “no-go zones” of Sweden, and can testify that the whole thing is a pile of racist bullshit.
Sweden hahahahaha try Marseille after 7pm!
Are these really the towns that are taken over by “sharia law”? Can you give examples of what you saw?
Don’t do that. I did NOT say those words. You ARE CHANGING WHAT I SAID. fu
Words have implications, and you are implying these immigrants want sharia law to be impemented. Do you have examples of this? Why did you mention these cities? What’s special about them?
They are unsafe for regular people. They are not Europe anymore after 7pm.
Yes, the implications are that people will democratically vote to stop democracy. That is not good for a country/unión.
They won’t be the mayority, but they can surely negativily change a society without being a majority.
WILL ALL THE NON EUROPEANS FK OFF PLZ? OR VISIT MARSEILLE AFTER 7PM FIRST. THNX
Your only example of this is Marseille and yeah the marseille situation is obviously due to the supposed country of origin of its inhabitants and not at all by the socioeconomical context that made impossible for young ppl to live there without commiting crimes. Because that’s what’s actually happening.
How are they unsafe? What makes them unsafe? What do you mean by regular people?
Which country has Muslim immigrants taken over? Name it please.
Most of Middle East and North Africa from 7th century on. Most of the area of current Spain and Portugal was under Islam rule for 5 centuries.
Currently? Sweden’s Malmö is probably the closest example of a slowly happening “takeover”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_the_European_Union_by_Muslim_population
Is this a problem? That I don’t claim to definitely know, but it doesn’t feel like a great direction for a secular atheist such as myself.
Just like the Jews were taking over Germany, right?
Yes, it’s possible that it’s a similar hyperbole and nothing to worry about ultimately.
The reasons why jews were hated/distrusted in history seem to be different from the reasons why muslims are.
Mans still salty the Ottomans conquered Al Andalus 500 years later
Which port town? Rotterdam, Marseille, Barcelona, etc
Because countries arnt yet at that level.
30-40% of babies born are non European decent.
I’m not even saying that’s a bad thing. But ANYONE THAT PREFERS SHARIA LAW OVER EUROPEAN (OR RESPECTIVE COUNTRY’S) LAW, should NOT be in Europe.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/15-european-countries-with-most-muslims.html
You are needlessly fearmongering.
I don’t want to get in the middle of a flame war, but as someone who’s seen the culture of his small town shift over the last couple decades, I can’t help but have some sympathy for those who worry about this happening in their local (Admittedly, in my case, it’s watching a town where the suburban drops off to rural slowly be subsumed by city sprawl, so this might be a false equivalance).
But I think the real issue is that that’s not an evenly distributed 11%. People will naturally bunch up in groups along cultural lines. I could see a city developing a single Arab/Muslim neighborhood over the course of a decade being of no note, but it sounds like some are developing multiple over just a couple years.
I have no real data to back that notion up, but from what I hear from Europeans, that’s the general feel. I think that’s the real issue: things are changing and they feel like they’re changing fast, and that’s freaking people out. Telling people who feel that way they’re crazy only “others” them and I feel that’s really how the situation gets worse.
But also, the towns the guy above mentioned feel like bigger cities (I’m American and haven’t been to Europe, so I also might lack perspective), and so I do feel like they’re overstating the point.
Yeah, and Americans in general once felt that the Irish or the Italians would take over the country because they were emigrating in large numbers. Guess what never happened?
Mamma mia!
There is a big difference though. Their beliefs were compatible with Americans, everyone believed in Jesus, not killing people and such. And most importantly, the next generation mingled and married locals and they were almost fully assimilated by the third generation.
Where I live, and other places, most of the Muslim population (not all, mind you) keep their children from others as much as possible. The children are taught what they can and can’t do because they are Muslim. And they can only marry Muslims (conversions are allowed but the family must live Muslim lives under those rules. They are not allowing natural assimilation. Places like Denmark have laws forcing immigrant children to attend day care with locals, because otherwise they won’t.
Okay, but they’re still a tiny minority. They will not be implementing sharia law in Europe any time in the foreseeable future because they just won’t have that power.
Also, if you’re going to say belief in Jesus is a requirement for being European, you’re going to have to do something about the Jews who live there too. And considering they’ve lived there for thousands of years, maybe that isn’t a defining characteristic of Europeans.
I suppose, the point I mean to make is that belittling this guy does nothing to solve the problem.
How did I belittle them? By saying they were needlessly fearmongering? Because they are needlessly fearmongering. Muslims haven’t taken over port towns and they won’t implement sharia law in Europe.
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I think this is largely a consequence of the rate of change.
Going from 50 generations back to 40 generation back (call it 750 AD to 1000 AD) very little would have changed for people, especially those limited in their means of transportation. I think this is largely, if not exactly, true of any generational gap (the exceptions I feel can be found at those bridging the rise and fall of empires)
Meanwhile, 10 generations ago (call it like 1750) wouldn’t recognize the world today. Hell, 2-3 generations ago (thinking of those born ~1925-1950) barely recognize the world of today.
The way I see it, the rate of change we experience in the world today is simply beyond the rate of change we were bred for over the bulk of humanity’s history.
With that perspective in mind, it feels wrong to hold it against people to resist parts of that change.
Yeah, in my ideal world, we’d all get along and be able to deal with these things in a civilized manner, but that feels super dismissive of the Human Condition and the real lived experience of people in the real world.
Looping back to the point I want to make: coming at people hard for having a negative reaction to a changing world doesn’t make their acceptance of the changing world any better.
Sorry, this is true if you include countries like Poland and Hungary.
IT ISN’T TRUE IF YOU LOOK AT PORT CITIES. and small towns can be overrun within a week
Ps MY BEST FRIENDS ARE (PROGRESSIVE) MUSLIMS. nothing against them! But adding even more immigrants that aren’t educated nor socially connected to ANY European thing isn’t good… They aren’t like the Mexicans…
Marseille’s Muslim population is 20%. i.e. a minority that can’t overrun anything.
Shall I look at the other cities you mentioned and continue to prove you factually incorrect?
Wow really? I didn’t say that BTW. Go walk around town after 7pm and then you MAY get my actual point…
Me:
You:
So yes you did say that Muslims have taken over Marseille. You are factually incorrect. “I see a lot of Muslims there” is not evidence of your claim.
Thinking that any political opinions are fundamentally “Non-European” is a fundamentally totalitarian and racist mindset. I reject your attempts at gatekeeping my politics based on your arbitrary and chauvinistic ideas of “European” values. But hey, there is nothing more inherently European than racism, so I guess you’re living up to your own ideals there.
I specifically mentioned EUROPEAN LAW vs SHARIA LAW and the fact that 80% of European Muslims prefer the latter.
THAT’S A FACTUAL STATEMENT FROM A LARGE PUBLIC INQ.
Source
Google it. Wilders website has a source. Be less lazy.!
No, you don’t get to make claims and then tell other people to resarch it. Either you back up your claims with reputable sources, or you shut up. The burden of proof is on you and you alone, so get to it.
Clearly it’s a very insignificant and easily dismissed source if you even don’t remember it.
I did NOT say that. Read again. Idiot?
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We’re not idiotic Americans. Of the native population, only a small percentage wants church rule
Can you mention some of all of these alleged “Sharia controlled” towns and, eh, countries?
That is not at all what I said. I said the mayority of Muslims in Europe prefer sharia law. You are CHANGING my words. That sick fundy behavior.
Your unchanged words:
Provide examples then. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and the burden of providing such evidence is on the claimant and no one else.
And surely if you have a numeric figure like 80% for the proportion of Muslim immigrants in the EU who supposedly prefer sharia law, you can cite the source in which the statistic came from, and the source will list their data collection and analysis methodology which will also surely be logically and mathematically sound, right? Riiiiight?
Can we get an example of a town that’s been “taken over” in this manner? Your words.
I mentioned a whole bunch, try going to non tourist areas of Marseille, Rotterdam, paris, Etc after 7pm.
Yeah I read all your weird, totalitarian ranting, but you didn’t prove anything to anybody.
Oww people downvote me… Scary!
Totalitarian… Like those tankie governments where the leaders have impunity and party in Miami and have their money in Geneva while the locals can’t buy meat? Fu
Ya know, it seems like when you get called put and can’t defend your claim, you’d save face and delete the post instead of continually doubling down and looking like an even bigger shithead. Most sensible people would know this is a losing strategy.
Wow I loose internet points, now what?
Dude seriously you guys obviously are ignorant Americans. Don’t try and talk Europe to a European. My opinion won’t change because you guys have Mexicans and blacks and we have Muslims…
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We also have Muslim immigrants fyi. In fact, he wasn’t Muslim I think, but an immigrant from Syria got kinda famous for leading a tech company in the US. You might’ve heard of him, Steve Jobs?
If you’ve ever been to Marseille, Paris or Rotterdam, you’d know that is categorically incorrect.
I personally live in an area with a higher Muslim population, but nobody here wants Sharia Law. Nor to take over any towns.
You should be less gullible about places you’ve never been to, and things you know little about.
Maybe read the inquiry, it’s not sucked out of my thumb. Ask wilders for the source.
If wilders is your source then it’s no wonder you’re so ill informed.
What do you think happens in these cities after 7pm?
All the Muslims come out and start plotting to take over?
The Muslim Sharia police start their rounds?
Or you get harassed by gangs of terrorists?
Stop being stupid.
Twitter is filled with idiots who’ll pronounce London/Paris/wherever is under Sharia law. Never seems to occur to them that this is very easy to fact check.
I definitely did not say that they were under sharia law. I made several factual statements. But ALL of you manage to Twist my words. Sick rethoric!
You know, you can’t imply something and complain that we understood it
Nah you tried to imply something not born out by reality and got downvoted for it.
Read my original words. It says 80% of Muslims in Europe would prefer sharia vs euro law.
That’s the result of a large scale double blind inquiry. It’s not implying anything it’s just reality.
Ps i actually like Muslims. More as insane xtians… At least they don’t twist and change their books words every few years…
80% of christians would prefer christian law over any government law. So would Jews. Both have committed mass genocides to reach that goal.
Now what was your point?
Err, what was yours?
Hahahahahahahahaha what???..? Maybe in the us… In Europe that is a most ridiculous statement…
They’re not consciously letting Muslims take over towns just to willingly destroy their own country. It just so happens that decades of poor foreign policy by the West have destabilised the Middle East (that’s not to say Middle Eastern countries also don’t have their own agency to improve their own situation) creating massive inflows of refugees. And the EU, which happens to be next door, had to take in refugees from Muslim-majority country. Or else what? Let them die or shelterless?
I can hear some already asking why won’t neighbouring Muslim countries take in their fellow Muslim refugees? They have the same culture and would cause few tension, right? These countries already did. Turkey alone took three million Syrian refugees. They have the majority of Muslim refugees, not Europe. But the Western media with their parochial, in-group bias over-report and overemphasise tensions with Muslims migrants. Turkey has the same problem to the point that immigration has become a sticking point in the last Turkish presidential election. The left-leaning rival candidate reluctantly had to resort to anti-immigration rhetoric in the last days before the election to boost ratings. You won’t hear that in mainstream news in the West, won’t you?
Really, these news of EU wrecking itself by “allowing migrants thanks to open borders” is literally fake news. People sympathise with that racist and far-right rhetoric without viewing the full picture. But I guess people are still tribal with our un-evolved lizard-brain to think in heuristics and stereotypes. We just easily buy in to the angry rhetoric.
Also, I definitely agree that mass migration is causing tension, I’m not denying that. However, climate change is worsening domestic situations in developing countries on top of poor foreign policies. The Arab Spring, Syrian civil war, and conflicts in Africa is exacerbated by climate change as drought worsens, which leads to more hungry mouths which then leads to social and political tensions as they blame their governments. Refugees then leave and risks travelling through deserts, mountains and sea to more stable places like Europe. What is the EU going to do? Let them drown? And then they get blamed for massacring civilians? Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
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Correcto, I’m definitely not blaming anyone.
But I do know walking around my home town on a Friday evening is not possible anymore.
Whatever anyone says doesn’t change that.
That sounds like a policing problem?
I love how fascists always blame the victims for the problems that fascists caused.
Blame? Fascists? Cause? I don’t remember talking about any of that…
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Funny. Maybe quote my text if you think you are correct…?
Not for long we all get very right to fascist governments the next year’s and things will go south. Germany with a CDU/AFD coalition, Le pen in France, if those two happen I see a dark future ahead, but hey climate change will bite us in the ass anyway. Why not go under under fascist leadership…
We’re not very good at learning from the past, are we?