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autismdragon [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net to the_dunk_tank@hexbear.netEnglish ·
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These "democracy maps" are always incredible. Cuba less democratic than Ukraine?

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These "democracy maps" are always incredible. Cuba less democratic than Ukraine?

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  • FuckyWucky [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    Israel - “Flawed” “Democracy” where majority of the poeple don’t have citizenship or rights.

    These people would call Apartheid South Africa a “democracy”.

    Also India being in the green is hilarious.

    • autismdragon [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netOP
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      These people would call Apartheid South Africa a “democracy”.

      I think they literally actually did thjs.

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      There are more Palestinians in Israel than in the west bank. They can all vote and they have parties in the Israeli parliament.

      Also, Gaza hasn’t been part of Israel for almost 20 years.

      Israel is actually the only country in the middle east where Palestinians can vote and get elected.

  • autismdragon [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netOP
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    How is fucking Saudi Arabia not the darkest red unless you are blatantly giving them bonus points for being a western ally. SA is about as autocratic as you get.

    • Tomboys_are_Cute [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      “Just because it is a literal monarchy where no one votes doesn’t mean they can’t support Western Democratic Values ®” the person who made this map probably.

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      They rank Saudi Arabia as “more democratic” than the PRC…

      • RyanGosling [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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        Saudi Arabia votes in OPEC votes on whether to produce more oil, so therefore they’re democratic

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      Also Egypt

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        Egypts democractically elected dictatorship is more democractic than China or Cuba. Okay right sure.

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      It’s nonsensical to measure ”democracy” as a number, but even if you don’t believe the elections in China, Russia or Venezuela are entirely fair, they still have them. Logically, it makes no sense for those countries to even be compared to a country like Saudi Arabia that has no democratic institutions, but what makes this map even more absurd is actually having them below Saudi Arabia.

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        It’s because liberals’ understanding of democracy is “democracy = good”. They cannot comprehend that the enemy might also have elections and representatives that the people like and want, even if it goes against their values. If there were two choices, one town voting go reinstate chattel slavery and the other town criminalizing slavery without putting it to a vote, liberals would say the former is better because it’s democratic.

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    international-community-1international-community-2

    • quarrk [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      Kinda. They gave high scores to those countries in the global south that are more in line with the West. India has almost the same score as the US for example.

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        besides the US, Chile and Uruguay, the dark blue is almost identical tho

  • SovietWaveGoddess [comrade/them, she/her]@hexbear.net
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    Its literally a map of how much economic influence the US has over other countries

    • 420blazeit69 [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      But they made up numbers – with decimals! – so it’s official

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    Mexico changes from the neolib party that used to ruled the for 70 years via corruption and oppression to a 5/10 socdem party

    drops from flawed democracy to hybrid regime

    Lets goo lets-fucking-go

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    Ukraine banned a Zelenskillion political parties in the time since the invasion lmao, with the exact reasoning of foreign/enemy influence that is deemed unacceptable for all the socialist “regimes”

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      Well yeah. Russian influence is bad because its a bad country, so its ok for Ukraine to ban pro-Russian parties.

      But the west are the good guys! So if a bad country fights western influence thats evil!

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      zelensky-pain vote

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      Democracy is when there fewer political parties to choose from, and the more parties you ban, the more democratic it is

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        some-controversy yes

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          number of parties with legislative representation in Ukraine: 6
          number of parties with legislative representation in China: 9

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            Clearly this means Ukraine is more communist than China

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      Have you considered that Ukraine are ‘the good guys’ though?

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    melanin index

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    Germany 8.8 when they had the same chancellor for 16 years in Angela Merkel lol. And then Evo Morales tries the same thing, and Bolivia gets a 4.5.

    us-foreign-policy

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      Westerners when Angela Merkel stays for 16 years: porky-happy

      Westerners when Evo Morales wants to stay for 16 years: porky-scared-flipped

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        the german liberal believes both that term limits in the US are democratic, that they are not in germany and also they’re more hardline about their constititution being perfect than the most fundamentalist republicans as per change

        I mean it gets changed all the time but it’s like in the boring bits about how the state functions so who cares

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      Germany is like 3 election terms away from being a CDU one party state and even then two of those terms are basically the social democracts doing christian democrat stuff

      Which is even funnier when you realize there’s no like legal / constitutional reason for there to not be a plurality government that gets like weed legalized or whatever (I think that’s been politically viable for about 20 years at this point), it’s just the underlying assumption is if you don’t have a massive 50%+ coalition the country will go under, like Weimar, due to infighting. It’s basically placing some notion of “stability” over everything else. Which is currently in it’s funniest phase as the govering coalition is the greens, the libertarians and the rightest-wing of the social democrats who get fucking nothing done due to infighting.

      Hence, I propose that germany is a one party state ruled by the party of “stability”, which is every party

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        it’s just the underlying assumption is if you don’t have a massive 50%+ coalition the country will go under, like Weimar, due to infighting

        Even funnier that the country might really go under (again) because they started a war with Russia (again) and are in the process of losing because of insane and totally unrealistic assumptions about Russia (again)

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      Germany 8.8

      Fuck me. No. It cannot be a dogwhistle. I’m losing my mind.

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        you are, but in this case your madness reveals a deeper truth

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    Lmao, Bo-“we’re not calling it a US backed coup”-livia at a 4.5. data-laughing

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      Vene-“our boys got caught and literally pissed themselves”-zuela at roughly Saudi Arabia levels.

      maduro-coffee

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    Britain, full democracy: Last two PMs elected by no one other than the Tory Party members, Leader of the opposition (and presumably next PM) elected to his role based on a completely fraudulent campaign that also broke campaign funding laws, previous leader of the opposition faced a coup from his own MPs only months after winning the leadership and then spent his entire tenure being smeared by them and their friends in the press chefs-kiss

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      also still a monarchy. like straight up. not even like vestigial royal family, just straight up a monarchy where the king gets your shit if you die and the royal family keeps interferring and blocking shit

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        You’re also not allowed to speak of the queen or king or the royal family in parliament without notifying them ahead of time

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          Uhh yeah but the parliament that can be dissolved by the monarch at any time and is elected democratically (at least sometimes, considering recent events) says that’s okay so actually that’s democractic. That reflects the will of the populace

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        Lmao, can’t believe I missed this one

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      You can tell that the mayo countries aren’t actually democracies because they’ve all had non-white people elected as presidents

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    Saudi Arabia more democratic than China LMAO

    usians are the most propagandized people on earth

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    How in the fuck is Mexico down? It has to be nationalizing natural resources.

    Also lol at Japan. The LDP has been in control since the 50s with little exception.

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    Saudi Arabia, an absolute monarchy with no legislative body, is more democratic than China or Iran.

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      It’s like they’re not even trying

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        Seriously, saudi arabia and like brunei i guess should be the 0.0 reference point

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    Europe alone getting a zoom in scope where other areas that are as dense with nations and therefore hard to read at this scale not getting one, while simultaneously just straight up blocking out other countries, is all you need to know about this map

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      Look at how they avoid calling attention to Israel, actively conducting a genocide as we speak, being colored green.

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      Like, there’s multiple African countries that just aren’t labelled.

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        I think the funniest part is some of them have scores, but no names. Far more important to know it’s bad than what it even is

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    “Hybrid Regime”

    lmao

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      Normalize calling western governments regimes instead of administrations

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        call them the evil empire to simplify it for the libs

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          I stick with saying “the great satan”

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          so imagine if the death eaters maintained control of the ministry of magic

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        I’ve been doing this for years and it still brings me great joy whenever some lib gets visibly upset over it

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